Picked up the Coleman 500 project a couple weeks ago. Someone started a resto and gave up after breaking off a couple of screws in the manifold. Pen oil and heat and patience will get those out. I like a challenge so I'll give it a go. It's dated C38 so it's worth the effort. Picked up the brass one this morning at the swap meet. Not sure what it is. No markings at all that I could find. It's been sitting a long time someplace dry. The pump leather basically turned to dust when I pulled it out. Nice sturdy box that says made in England with a couple tigers on it. One laying down must be the girl tiger. lol Anyone care to venture a guess what this one might be?
Hi, I believe that the collapsible stove in the red box is a British Parasene stove. https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/parasene-2-pint-collapsible-outfit.17802/ Best Regards, Kerophile.
If those are copper legs, you're probably right Kerophile. Although the burner is different and I'm not sure about that lion logo on the box. Ben
@MrAlexxx Information on the 1938 Canadian Coleman 500 with the 'L' shaped fuel/air lever HERE. Bryan states HERE that the 'Two Tigers' brand was a Berlyns (Parasene) product. He's not one to speculate, so I'm confident he had evidence to say so. My understanding is that copper feet weren't an invariable feature of a Parasene stove and burners on them weren't always of that pattern with the unscrewable plug for access to the jet. The era of their production in Britain saw a lot of products assembled with whatever parts bin components were available. John
Upon further research, I think it is a "Two Tigers" branded stove made by M. H. Berlyn Co Ltd., the same company that made Parasene. The logo on the mystery stove box looks like these me thinks: Ben
Thanks John. Reading the post you made just before mine makes me look like a plagiarizer. Actually you posted that while I was in the middle of preparing my post. I didn't read it until after mine posted. I feel like an idiot repeating the same thing but at least I had a couple of photos to add. Ben
Okay...went and took a good look. Verdict...copper legs. The logo is exactly like that. Thanks guys. Now to find a pump cup.
very nice, the C 38 500 was the 1 st year of production great stoves. No wonder I can't find anything at the Swap Meet
@z1ulike Sorry Ben, I see my comment could be interpreted as a criticism but it honestly wasn't. I was relieved that you'd tracked down that photo of the 'Two Tigers' brand logo up close and had confirmed the Parasene association. No more late-night and half-asleep contributions from me I fear! John
I we all stuck to that this website would die for lack of participation! I didn't interpret your comment as criticism. I just wanted you that we both came to the same conclusion independently and I wasn't plagiarizing. The only thing I've sworn off is contributing while under the influence. Ben
@z1ulike @shagratork That's very funny you guys! All the best to you both (and CCS members and visitors) for Christmas and the New Year. Martoonies ... !!! John
@Krestova Jane Don't give my secrets away but I will say that usually after the swap meet I come home and go back to bed. lol
Twas the night before Christmas...and all through the house...not a creature was stirring not even a mouse... Out in the shop it was a different story though... After a week of daily applying penetrating oil and the application of heat it was screw and broken screw removal time on the manifold of the '38 Coleman 500. The three top ones with badly chewed up slotted heads reluctantly gave up the ghost and stubbornly decided it was time to surrender to me. YAY! Three easy ones down and now the two broken ones. I've had mixed luck with the left handed drill bits so thought I'd give them a whirl. The screws are maybe only in a 1/4" to possibly 3/8" I am thinking so maybe the left hand drill would spin them out? That was the idea... Centered punched as close to center on both broken screws as I could eyeball it and the drill went all the way through without budging the broken screws. I could tell I went all the way through as the drill suddenly dropped the last 1/8" or so and bottomed out in the screw hole. At least I went straight through. That's always good. Hmmmm....like I said I've had mixed results with the left hand drills. But I really half expected the short broken stubby screws to walk themselves out. Still all good though. Gave them another taste of the MAP gas torch and more pen oil this time from the bottom of the screw through the drilled hole and maybe if I get the time I'll get another Christmas present of two broken off screws removed tomorrow. Plan is to use the easy out screw extractors. Patience is the most valuable tool you can have when undertaking this sort of endeavour. After all failure is not an option. To be continued...and a Merry Christmas to all.
G,,day welding a nut to the broken bolt works extremely well . MIG is easiest , countersinking the nut helps . as it is cooling spray / soak with penetrant . the expansion from high heat cracks the rust , and as it cools it sucks the penetrant in . i have never had this method fail . kerry
