Greetings, OMC, Kerophile, and All, My information about dating my own Quick Meal Stoves, came from online research, and from information shared here, verified by further research. Also, from the style of my stoves, and their internal workings, an early date appropriate. OMC, I must be a bit thick, but don't understand your question, in the least.... As already stated, the pot stand shown in G's post, was made by a former owner, or seller. Kerophile, I love the folding Primus stand, and will have to work up something like that for my own stoves. I've also given thought to trying to create something like the stand that came with my Novi Formaldehyde Generator, which dates to the same time as the early Quick Meal Stoves and is of a similar design, but that might be a bit harder to pull off. Someday, hopefully, I'll work out something that works nicely with the Quick Meal stoves. My Model 200 is a real screamer, now, thanks to Stu's excellent, cast iron flame spreaders, and it does deserve a nice pot support to go with it. Thanks for the link, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Hi Doc, More food for thought: https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/12100 I must follow up my own suggestion of joining two of these trivets together, one as a base the other as a top, using threaded rod. I have the two available and just need to purchase the rod. Best Regards, Kerophile.
Doc, If gieorgijewski meant it is homemade and if so ok, I'm wrong. In "hindsight" I'm thinking he meant as you say. My initial thought is from He did say made by "owner or *reseller". You mentioned you might like "a small iron table frame, underneath which the 200 will fit" and with "online research, and from information shared here, verified by further research. Also, from the style of my stoves, and their internal workings, an early date"... that with that, you dunno what pot support the 200 used when it was new. (we see examples of the No.100 pot support but the stove has entirely different base and different pot support). What might it's pot support look like? It "MAYBE" looks like what he has shared w/us (why not?), maybe twas sold with the 200 when it was new. I know it's a stretch but that's what i'm considering. AND, I also see it as quite possibly, exactly what you want: "a small iron table frame, underneath which the 200 will fit". Re "American Stove Co started using the name Vesuvius in 1917" src flivver https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/10125 That's pretty clear (vs "early date" and [Vesuvius] "only made and sold in the early 1900s") You mention Vesuvius is long gone by 50. With that and the above, Vesuvius is 1917 - 19?? which most likely can be updated and narrowed down w/info you might share. *MOST classic stoves in 1900 were advertised in wholesale catalogs. ... aka *resellers. Stoves were presented in various ways. kits and even rebadged on occasion. The gieorgijewski pot support or similar, my impression, is akin to items found in *reseller catalogs back in the day. thx omc
Morning, OMC, Sounds like you have your knickers in a knot over this, for some reason I have yet to understand. As soon as I saw G's photo, I immediately thought the pot stand was not original to the stove. Look at the stands that Primus have listed in their catalogs, and elsewhere, here on the CCS, and you will see that none of them are permanently attached to the stove. Rather, the stove is slipped under the stand, or enclosed by the stand. The stand on G's Vesuvius cannot be removed, and that is not a good thing if you need to service the stove. My own Novi came with a stand underneath which is slips, and had that stand been permanently attached, I'd NEVER have been able to get to the stove to try and fettle it back to life. To me, it's all fairly clear cut, and easy to see. Also, as to dating: in my opinion, anything earlier than 1920 should be considered "early 1900's". Why would you think otherwise? When comparing my own stoves of this kind, with those that others have found, and with the instructional evidence available here at CCS, that, too, is fairly clear to me. If you wish to disagree with my thoughts, please go ahead and do so. But, no need to get all bent out of shape, which you seem to me..... Published information about specific models of Quick Meal stoves is in exceedingly short supply, and until more of it comes to the fore, IF it ever does, we will always be somewhat guessing, and using comparative evidence to date the models which were made by that Company. Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
We all for now have mostly the pic to go on, gieorgijewski has not chimed in again, you're assuming it's homemade. I do take exception to less than warm responses and questioning input while you're vague at same time. imo gieorgijewski offered you a solution, a very nice gesture (that i thought might be manufactured circa 1910-1940). YES our take on his post differs. I'd have been thanking him right off and asking where might I get one, as stated. "permanently attached to the stove" that's your impression, assumption? I repeatedly accept I may be wrong BUT it appears to me it slips up off the stove. Note the vent screw removed, my thought is that is all that is required to slip it on/off. Ok, the 1st Vesuvius is 1917 here to fore referred to as early 1900s, thx. Still all we got is 1917 - 19xx ? (pre 1950) and your example is 1917 - 1920 of course, ok, clear as crystal, now, thx for the research and contribution to this dating.
gieorgijewski, Thank you for sharing another photo. Could you please lift the pot support off the stove, and take some photos of that? From what I can see, I don't understand how the pot support setup would clear the pump knob, or air vent, and thereby, lift off the stove. Thanks, and by the way, if you want two excellent cast flame spreaders, contact Stu, here at CCS, as he cast some wonderful ones for my own Vesuvius!! I look forward to seeing more photos, and thanks, again! Every Good Wish, Doc
Looks to me like you turn the pot support anti-clockwise by about 120 degrees to clear the pump-knob. I think there is sufficient clearance to then lift the pot support over the air-vent...
I beg Your pardon for my english... Ill try to explain "the construction" Red dot "top foto" - part of "central main ring" distanced for "securing pump in transportation" "central main ring", as You see on first foto, is above the pump. You cant rotate stove inside the stand more then pump touching left or right leg. But The Pump and they "body guard" are in "non working position". Its mean - there is possibility to change existing angle Pump - distanced part the stand could be easily moved up, this foto explain everything. -------- Iam not the owner of this stove and can't manipulate real object I have only few foto - and i need take classical decision "to buy - or not to buy"...
HI, gieorgijewski, Excellent! Not to worry about your English, as you are doing fine! The new photos explain things much more clearly to me, and as David so rightly mentioned, even rotating the pot support a bit, might allow for clearance of the pump knob, if that was even needed, which it appears that it is not. Do you have any idea what the distance is between the top of the burners, and the bottom of the pot support? In other words, how much clearance is there between the pot supporting legs, and the burners? My apology to you, Sir, if I came off as brusk, or "cold", as that was not my intention, and I can see from the new photos, that I misunderstood how the pot support fits onto the stove. If I might suggest, I would encourage you to buy this stove, as it might turn out to be very special, IF that pot support turns out to be original to the stove!! More research is necessary, of course, and it might take years to find out, for sure. But, if you have the stove when that info comes to light, yours will be the only Model 200 I've seen with it's pot support!!! Thanks for the additional photos, and good luck!! God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
@Doc Mark Great Vesuvius! Unsure if you've seen my recent post "Vesuvius No. 400 discovered"? https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/vesuvius-no-400-discovered.35049/ Mine as yours is, is missing it's Flame Spreaders, as well. You've mentioned having found a source, for reproduction Spreaders and I'm hoping I can obtain the 4 needed Flame Spreaders for my Model 400 there, also. Any help you can send my way, will be greatly appreciated! You were a great help to me in the past on another similar project we had and hopefully we can work on these similar projects together, too! https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/landers-frary-clark-universal-alcohol-stove-no-110.32000/ Respectfully, Steve "Stovost"
I have a Vesuvius 200 in very nice shape, also missing flame spreaders... Would love to source these! Took me a while to figure this one out, as the pump knob is missing and was replaced with a wooden one...
