Ive been adding 96's to my stove collection and have a big gap that is very noticeable I have a period from 1940 to 1948 that is completely unfilled. WW II affect production purchasing, material acquisition? Duane
hi Duane, yeah I've done some yacking about circa WW2 Swedish stove production, here : me " ... We see 1940 kero [model 210] stoves but, so far, none in 41. It does seem that by 1941, due to Sweden's WW2 rations, fewer stoves were made/sold and what was offered to public were made to burn alcohol. ...[noting] kerosene rationing did not apply to stoves issued to military. The harshest rationing was 1945, rations were in-place 1939 to 51. Stove examples for now (end in 40, begin again in 48) reflect that rations due to WW2 disrupted or nearly ended Primus's production of kero stoves 1941 - 47. If so any 210 within 41-47 in any condition may be a treasure to behold. " I credit comments of kerophile and Ross for initially enlightening me on-topic. thx omc
This is a good illustration, from Primus, found on Swedish forum http://www.fotogenforum.se/fotogen/phpBB3/
Could someone please translate for me "Apparater med sus. brännare" and "Apparater med tyst. brännare"? Thanks. Alex
Thank you for the translation. So why are roarers so much more popular? Or, more accurately, why were so many more roarers produced? Alex
Hi @Pitsligo , Another advantage of silent burners is that the burner produces a wider and, perhaps more diffuse flame pattern, which some cooks might prefer. Best Regards, Kerophile.
@Pitsligo , the other reason is the roarer burners are far more robust in construction. Lose the flame ring on a roarer, a section of soup can will suffice, make one from a tin funnel, not a lot of skill needed to make one, or time, either. It can run without one to a point as well. Now, lose the inner cap or outer cap on a silent burner, and you've got nothing. It's also not the sort of thing one makes in a Sunday afternoon, it takes a spot of time and material to knock one out that's useable, with a good dash of machining skills to have as well. A roarer is easier to light as well, and no issues with underburn, either, one match, and your roarer is going and then some, can't always say the same about a silent. Murph
All good info on roarers vs. silents --thank you. It has me re-thinking whether I want to bother with a silent burner on the boat. Could be more trouble than it's worth --and coming below cold and wet and in need of a cup of tea isn't when I'd be wanting to deal with a stove that's more trouble than it's worth. Alex
@Pitsligo Indoors, away from draughts I think silent burners are a bit better and normally quieter - easier to live with although roarers work well too. You'd probably need some sort of gymbal mounting to keep the stove level on a boat. Outdoors, it is preferable to shield not only the stove, but also the pot/kettle from wind which will have a dramatic cooling effect - roarers are generally less affected by wind compared with silents in draughty situations, but they too can be blown out by a gust of wind. The roarer also lets you know instantly if it has gone out because it will suddenly go quiet, whereas a silent will just carry on hissing. Baz
@Go Scout, the gimballing isn't a problem --I've got that taken care of: https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/sea-swing-new-variation-part-ii.22988/ I've always used it with an Op45 or an Op00, but having found an Optimus 207 silent burner and a spare Pr100 tank, I was thinking to try giving my boat "the silent treatment." I'll probably take it out, try making some tea under way, and see how well I like the silent burner's functionality in working conditions. I'd suggest I ought to look for a Pr96, to see if an even smaller stove would work than the Op00, but I wouldn't want to jeapordize the completeness of Duane's collection. How many do you have now, @hikerduane? Alex
@Pitsligo, Alex, have 32, one more 100 year old due in. Will post some camping photos later of my 99 year old. Duane
I would surmise that the largest obstacle to production of stoves during the war periods was the brass needed for production of casings for artillery shells and rifle cartridges among other things like bullet jackets etc.
Missing around 15 with the letter code stamped on the bottom, plus the bun foot one. Waiting for one in the mail to show up soon. Duane
I hope you all have seen the 'tidied-up' image here. Although hand-drawn, it was photographed in a stove museum in Sweden.
