Going to be selling some stoves on ebay a 111t and a Svea 123 hoping to list in some European countries and Ireland The stoves will be empty and dried out Can anyone tell me if there are any restrictions. Which countries etc all the best.markj
Some members have had issues with Royal Mail randomly destroying stoves. Try a search on here for their stories. Specific issues I can't relate personally but it's better to be aware.
Hi , I do send regularly Stove sold on eBay abroad . I dismantle them , clean them, and label them as stove, cleaned, dismantled . So far problems only with Saudi Arabia , lost 2 stoves via Royal Mail , But it can be with their post office overthere or the guys saying they have not received it !!! I think they genuinely declare them as not received after bout 4-5 weeks but might have received them after thy were refund ?? Anyway , I do not send to Saudi Arabia anymore !!! Also I try to use other compagnies than Royal Mail when I can . So far I have send to USA ,Canada, South Africa, Japan ,Korea, China, Europe . Regards Alain
THANKS FOR THE REPLIES ..So then LOOKS LIKE IM STICKING TO THE UK AND AVOIDING ROYAL MAIL which courier ..I USE TWO DPD OR UPS which is the least likely to detroy my stoves All the best.markj
Mark, Go to parcel2go and they give you a choice of various courier with prices and different services ! Regards Alain
YES p2g is what I use , but only use two courier's DPD or UPS with DPD ..I usually book DPD direct I use parcelforce as well through them ..but being as they are part of royal maul......... I take it that the republic of Ireland is safe ...or is that dodgy as well
I have had a parcel lost going from The UK to Sweden, seller sent a new one and it is at the local servicepoint. Both sent via P2G so, for me it is a 50/50 hitrate. I would go with parcelforce, they work well.
https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/avoid-royal-mail-when-receiving-stoves-shipped-from-uk.35816/ https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/royal-mail-confiscating-destroying-stoves.24756/
I buy regularly from the UK, only had one stove confiscated, believe the seller neglected to clean the obvious kero in the photo off. Only a couple sellers said only shipping to their country. Duane
if its of any help, i have had a lot of commercial and private experience of couriers over the years and i always default to UPS or FEDEX. These firms invest massively in infrastructure and I have never had any issues with them other than an occasional mis routing and delay (which is always corrected). the problem with almost all other couriers is that they subcontract to go knows who and the actual number of hands involved in moving your parcel along from a to b can be very high. the big american couriers are never the cheapest but they have the highest integrity...their own planes, dedicated airport based hubs, massive vehicle fleet etc etc. UPS has always provided the most detailed of tracking data feedback so you can figure out precisely where your item is as it travels. They scan every time the parcel moves in and out and through a process. Many of the others will scan once or twice only. Parcelforce often can not give you the tracking data once an item is not in the UK any more. parcelforce and royal mail were once the same as UPS and FEDEX in that they owned and controlled all their infrastructure but not any more.....there are several logistics companies who have contracts with royalmail to collect and move parcels and mail although its always a postman who delivers it. DPD is probably the best of the rest. For larger items the german firm DB Schenker is as about as reliable as you can get. there are also many point to point consignment couriers whose services underpin ebay global shipping and the very weird journeys that online purchases go through which can be part container ship, part air freight, part truck. Mike
Ok thanks for the detailed reply What do you write down as the parcels contents? I've not put them on yet ..I'm still listening.. they are still drafts But have listed a coleman 425 and I've put DPD as courier On p2g, seems that parcelforce is always on top price wise the last few weeks. I just posted a still bank (money box) 3 PM Monday afternoon in North Wales with parcelforce and it was delivered in the Netherlands Wednesday morning at 10:30 am.
I have never sent any stove or lantern but I have recieved some and never had any problem. I usually give the shipper the hint of not to write ”stove” or ”lantern” but instead clean out the tank and dismantle the item. In that case they can write anything, like ”stove spare parts”, ”brass spare parts”, ”brass ornamental parts” or whatever the shipper want to write without lying. As long it not say ”kerosene stove”, gasoline stove”, ”stove”, ”lantern” or anything that indicate that it might be dangerous. Nowadays packages rarely are opened and very little people handles the packages but the shipping labels are scanned and photographed so the best thing is not to write what the package contains without lying. In my opinion, if you remove the tank cap, burner caps or flame spreader, legs or whatever is removable it is not a stove no longer merely stove parts. Michael
also.....a word of warning about P2G and parcelmonkey. these firms are only online agents. they take your details online, you pay them online and they then pass them on to the courier you have selected who collects the item and then delivers it at the other end. they pay the courier less than you have paid and this is their profit. the problem with his is that its fine if everything goes well but if not, these 2 booking agencies are extremely unhelpful and obstructive in solving the issues you may have. I have had several serious arguments with P2G and had to threaten legal action to resolve one particular issue. They simply take the easy option of going very quiet hoping you will give up and go away. They also just blame the courier stating they are not involved and that you will need to resolve some issues directly with the parcel company you have chosen. In reality the legal contract is with P2G and the parcel company is a third party contractually. Parcelmonkey is a bit better but, as is very often the case in cyberspace commerce, some companies will just avoid unhappy customers by stalling or making your life much harder than it has to be and inventing excuses or deferring blame. I would doubt the real value of saving on the courier if you are exporting item out of your country. Fighting the courier and an unhappy buyer if it all goes wrong is not worth it. UPS or FEDEX is a better solution. Another issue when exporting is that there may be customs duty payable in the country of destination. This varies wildly around the world but you should ask the question to your buyer that they fully understand that this might be an issue and they should check the rules in their country. I once bought something mail order from Texas, USA for £21 and was charged an additional £16 by UK customs via parcelforce....not such a bargain after all. On your customs declaration (used to be a form called CN22 for this), state clearly that it is a used empty paraffin stove that DOES NOT contain fuel. Dont use the word old or antique as this may invite a whole different tax tariff. All western nations + most others will scan incoming parcels so they will have an idea whats inside regardless of what you state on the paperwork. they use software to guess what the images are related to and as they probably dont have old stoves in their image bank, there is a high probability of your stove being opened and investigated by a human inspector at the other end. regards, mike
Just the neat description of stoves as catering equipment. Which fundamentally they are, it's what they are used for after all, can't fault the logic.
yes, i agree. "catering equipment" is honest and accurate but they will rely far more on the image scanning and software interpretation. in the US and the EU there are large sorting centres where all imported pakcages and letters are scanned automatically as they pass on a conveyor belt. the software will sideline any item it regards as unusual or suspicious. all of the couriers submit their freight through these centres and are legally required to do so. For inbound post, the main UK centre used to be a part of the huge Mount Pleasant facility in London. For air freight inbound, the UK hub is at Coventry Airport as are the UK parcel international sorting hubs for the major parcel companies like UPS, Fedex, DHL etc. Mike.
