Where/how to find/make an LPG adapter & hose for the 111T burner

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  1. haknuts

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    I have a Kovea Booster +1 dual-fuel that has a LPG coupling on the pump.

    I am trying to find the parts or preferably a hose that connects to the 111T burner on one side, with a LPG coupling on the other end. I am aware of the Ultima Naltio with Nova hose &adapter as pictured beneath. Any advice from you guys?
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  2. theyellowdog

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    Gary, Blue at Blue Water Stove Restoration could make you one. Google him.
     
  3. haknuts

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    Thank you @theyellowdog . I regard GA to be a Wizard of Stoves, but in this case I have to pursuite other options.
     
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    The term "LPG coupling" is rather vague, a photo would clarify this rather quickly for the benefit of all concerned and trying to help.
     
  5. haknuts

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    @Murph like this.

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    The rationale for using LPG adapter is this, which in turn could allow me to use the Kovea-pump also for the 111.

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    CEJN female fitting installed on a Primus valve in THIS post.

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  7. haknuts

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    Durs anyone know what threads this burner fuel-nut has?

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    Guess it would be metric - have you tried regular bolts with known thread? - If the bolt fits - you have your thread?
     
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    Ahh - OK.
    Maybe someone with a spare 111T burner would chip in here?
    If no one reports - I might disassembly mine.
     
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    Wouldn't using LPG on a 111 burner be against the law? Or is it only something that should be?

    I take that back. We have enough laws anyway. But.....
     
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    Hmm, sounds like you're after something like this then [been there, done that
    - and got the pics proving it ;-) ].
    Might I be so bold as to ask why on earth do you want it? Why?!?
    It's heavy and cumbersome, not very fuel efficient - and there's no jets suitable for LPG.
    You'll have to make them up, just as with the fuel hose adapter piece.

    OK, here goes:

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    The parts involved [bar the already fitted LPG jet]:

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    Under full power using gaseous LPG:

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    It works - but there's no real use for it in my humble experienced opinion.
    MUCH better with a slightly newer Optimus burner: The Optimus Polaris Optifuel
    - it does it all!
    And without the need to manufacture fiddly little adapter and jet pieces…
    /Odd
     
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    @Odd

    What size jet did you use? Maybe a 2510/G or did you drill one out? To what size?

    Mike
     
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    That I don't remember exactly - I think I made one with a 0.40 or 0.45 orifice that worked sort of OK...

    The basic idea behind all of this was to give a nephew of mine an Ultima Naltio type KAP Arctic clone. And as an engineering spin off I tried to make it canister gas friendly as well - as a first step in the engineering challenge to make my own genuine KAP Arctic not only triple fuel compatible, but fully omnifuel …

    And I did it, but just to have succeeded and done it.
    There's so many reasons NOT to use those old Optimus burners in a Trangia these days:

    They are heavy and sort of inefficient to carry around.
    For alcohol as main fuel - the original Trangia burner is way lighter. And alcohol is for pre-heating kerosene burners + drinking imho…
    For canister gas fuel the ordinary Trangia GB74 is much lighter and thus less load to carry around in the summer half of the year.
    For liquid canister gas in the Trangia the Optimus Polaris comes out far ahead of the competition imho…
    And for all the petroleum based liquid fuels, in the Trangia - the Optimus Polaris is the best choice. It's better in almost every aspect compared to the old Optimus burners - and you don't have to change out jets/nipples when changing fuel type. (I've never met anyone who actually change their fuel type during a hike! A fuel is something you decide upon and then stick to - if the supply don't dry up completely…)

    Weight comparison between the KAP Arctic burner setup and the Polaris setup:
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    The altered Primus fuel hose:
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    Connected to the Optimus burner of the KAP Arctic:
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    Fitted into the lower wind screen again:
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    Compulsory flame shot:
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    I did it. It's done - and no actual gain was won bar engineers pride. The KAP is back to only using kerosene, and kerosene like fuels. And have been placed in full retirement on a shelf…

    What I now use is this Trangia
    made up of HA wind shields, DuoSSAL pots and a Polaris burner + BD PolaDawg2 fitted into a Trangia MF holder cup. And I've never looked back:
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    Cheers,
    /Odd
     
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