I used kero for 111 and other stove 111b&111t used whitegas,but usually I used 111b&t some specially days used 111, Because in taiwan the kero price is double to whitegas ….and not easy found
I use plain jane kero in mine, seems to go ok 8) I would love to try A1 jet fuel, see if it wont soot a little less. My one and only gripe with the 111 is that you can either cook on it or convert the case into a holiday home complete with internal garage. Here's a thought, it would be no trick to graft a 111 roarer burner onto an 8R tank, would the midi pump pressurise enough to get the works underway??? Hmmm.....
I'd be pretty wary of doing a mod like that. Every once in a while the people who design things like stoves and automobiles actually have a clue about what they're doing. The burner on a 111 really thunders out the BTU's and might be a tad hot to be as close to the tank as an 8R burner is. Just sayin' that's all. Gerry
Ranger 10, 199 ? OK, both silents but nothing to stop you doing a bnr swap although replacing the bnr on either stove with a standard 111 roarer would mean a new case ... __________________________________ Standard 111; paraffin or diesel as the fancy takes me.
I have used plain kero for many years, but now I use these "Catalyst Heaters kero types" , which burns cleaner. Never use these odeurless lamp types af kero, it will after some time build layers inside the burner.
Morning, Guys, I only have one 111, cobbled together with a nice burner that Ian sent, last year. But, I burn regular K1, water-white kerosene in it, and it burns nice and clean, with no sooting at all. It surprises me to read that Mike is having sooting problems with his. Hummm??? As for swapping burners with an 8R tank, I don't see the reason for doing so. As it is, some folks complain about the "short burning time" with the regular 8R burner. Stick a 111 burner on that stove, which burns much hotter than an 8R burner, and you're going to go through fuel like crap through a goose!!!! This, of course, is assuming that the swap can actually be made to work in a proper and safe fashion. On the 199, the burner sits higher than the tank, by a good bit, and that stove has a heat shield in place. The burner on a #10 sits lower, but is limited to kerosene, or diesel, and does not have a heat shield, as there's no room for one. It has had problems when folks have burned white gas, or Meths, in it, and blown the safety cap. I have always considered the 111 stoves, and their kin, to be just about the perfect stoves, in most regards. Like Mike has said, their only real drawback is their heavy case. I posted a note here, long ago, regarding something I'd read in a 1963 book on backpacking. In that book, the author described a manner of cutting up a Sigg Tourist cookset windscreen, in a manner that would allow the use of the burner and fuel tank from a 111 stove. The 111 was removed from it's heavy case, and fit into the Sigg kit. I have always wanted to try this modification, thinking that it would just about make the perfect setup!! But, I cannot bring myself to chop and channel any of the three Sigg Tourist kits that I have!! Still, if a proper windscreen/potstand setup could be found, which is much lighter than the normal case on a 111 stove, imagine how wonderful that would be!!!! I'd like to see someone make a light aluminum case, or one of Titinium, for the 111. Yeah, like THAT will ever happen!!!! Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc Mark
Extract from a 1971 Primus catalogue: Now, what was that question again? Oh, yes. What fuel for a standard 111? |imgRemoved|
Standard in which country???? That?s the question. Norway, Schweden, Denmark it is nr. 111 - Kerosene or the 111T triple fuel - the 111B for kerosene is seldom here - in Norway were gasoline (petrol) not allowed. For the 111B I prefer White Gas - or Coleman - but Coleman is expensive here.
I got the catalogue here in the UK. Judging from the wording, I presume it was intended for the UK and North American markets.
Found something on Optimus homepage: Never use car gasoline and especially not unleaded car gasoline. Car gasoline is extremely volatile and flammable, but worst of all it is incredibly bad for your health. Use white gasoline or good quality kerosene/paraffin as a first choice. Kerosene is available in most countries in the world. It is an energetic fuel that will give good output to your stove. It is not as volatile and flammable as gasoline. Consequently, kerosene is a little bit less dangerous to handle than gasoline. On the other hand, kerosene requires longer and more thorough priming than gasoline in order to vaporize. White gasoline is generally a clean and energetic fuel suitable for use in liquid fuel stoves. Availability is good in North America. In Europe and other parts of the world, availability varies. Usually, you can find white gasoline in Outdoor shops. An alternative to white gasoline is heptanes that usually can be found in paint shops, hardware stores and similar.
Hey, Trevor, I might have known you had something sneaky up your sleeve, Lad, with a question like that!!! 8) Very interesting!! I don't tend to burn automobile gasoline in any of my stoves, so I'll probably not give that a try. But, it certainly should raise some eyebrows amongst us, eh??!! 8) Good eye, Shag, and good info!! =D> =D> =D> Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc Mark
Now I'm a tad confused I've always laboured under the idea that kero stoves need kero and trying to run them on gas/white spirits/coleman et al wasnt so much asking for disaster as getting down on both knees and begging for it. or is this just the 111 at copes ok with a range of fuel. Mine is bog common plain jane 111, the silver one I posted a few weeks back. If this is indeed the case, do I have to change jets, or just pour and go? Which inturn leads to: can I mix fuels ie pour coleman on the remains of what ever kero is left in the tank from last time.........and so it goes..... I dont really have a sooting problem, Doc, it's more that I find any soot vaguely bugging and kero stoves by their nature...well, you get the idea. Oh yeah, I fininshed the overhaul on my 22 a couple of nights back, worked out pretty good except..........no camo like I wanted, it ended up *sigh* ...blue. The amount of grief I went through to try and get some green and brown VHT would have tried the patience of a rock! In the end I had to choose between red, blue, silver and black, those being the choices. Red looks daft and black gets tatty quick, I already have silver, so......I'll post a pic of it later today, it looks ok I spose, but not what I was really after...oh well, that life I guess.....
Why did it have to be vht, Mike? Unless you're going to fireball-prime it ordinary paint would probably be ok.
The danger is using gasoline with kero stoves equipped with a pressure relief valve. Unless they have a regulating burner, there's no safe way to turn off the stove (except letting it burn out ). With, say, an Optimus 00, releasing gasoline fumes a couple of inches from the burner is a recipe for a fireball. If there's a safe way to shut off the stove, it should convert between gas and kero just by switching to the proper jet. ....Arch
Hi All I got the Primus catalogue earlier this week and, as you can imagine, was very surprised to see the published extract. I had always thought that the 111 was for kerosene/paraffin only. In fact I used my first 111 about the same time as the publication of the catalouge. It clearly states that the 111 can be fueled with white unleaded gas which here in the UK we call unleaded petrol (at least I think that is what it means). Looking at the parts list in the catalogue, it is also with the same nipple. It seems that the 111B is meant for all other variations of gasoline/petrol, including leaded, which I think was all that could easily be bought here in the UK at that time. I certainly ran my SVEA 123 on leaded petrol at that time because all petrol/gas here was leaded. The 111B has a different nipple. None of the other kerosene/paraffin stoves in the catalogue say that gasoline/petrol can also be used. Well, that is not quite true. There is, of course the 22: Has anyone out there tried using Coleman Fuel or plain unleaded gas/petrol in a 111 or 22?
Riiiight, that makes sense, I'm sorely tempted to convert the 111 and 22 to run gas, if only for unity of fuel. Ah, but then there is the Campingo2 and the other one I dont have a name for yet also run on kero.....aw hell, I'll just leave them as is and get a 20L drum of kero for the winter. We had a long (11 hour) power cut a couple of weeks back, dinner was cooked on the Campingo2 that boiled spuds noticably faster than the electric range and started up almost as easily 8) then consumed by candle lite, very pleasant! Steak was sorted on the profane BBQ, yum! The only down side to power cuts is the water pump that pressurises the house supply, might have to give that one some thought.....
The 22's new clothes.... Looks ok I guess not quite how I wanted it but waaaay better than it was. Your question answers itself, Ian There's no telling what sort of (ab)use it'll get in future, might as well prepare it as best I can. Can anyone hang a name on the stove in the background? SWMBO picked it up for sweeties for a month or so back, I gave it a new pair of burner caps, reoiled the leather, replaced the fuel cap seal and it fired right up and goes like a cut cat! It's got a self pricking burner and a good sized tank, I rather like it. The bakelite pump knob has "Primus" on it as does the fuel cap. The red aint right, should be metallic green, might have to be the next clean up project.....
Surprised - me too I have tried it, but I will never use unleaded gas/petrol again - because: "Car gasoline is extremely volatile and flammable, but worst of all it is incredibly bad for your health. " And it builds up layers inside the burner . With white gas or special with unleaded gas/petrol you dont need much pumping (pressure in the tank) because the 111 burner burns hotter (4 tubes to the head) I can buy white gas at the same price as unleaded gas/petrol, and why should I use unleaded gas/petrol No - white gas for 111B burners (111B and 22B) and kerosene for 111 burnes ( 111 and 22) And "shagratork" - who would not be glad for copy of your Primus catalogue I would be
