Help identify a Coleman 2 burner suit case please

@Barrett

If you look at my posts in the Reference Library, you can see that suitcase stoves were being advertised in Australia at least from the late 1920s. Both Canadian and US products were being imported into Australia.

I suspect they were also shipped to NZ (directly or via Australia).

Tony

 

Thanks @Tony Press
I keep hoping to spot earlier Coleman stoves and lanterns here, so far mostly just 40's on.
Guess any earlier ones could well already be part of someone's cherished collection and not likely to be offered up regularly.

Cheers
Barrett

 

A little update
I have a stamped case 4M inbound this week.
It has the same manifold and burner assembly as seen here and on boogy's, the seller confirmed the cylindrical tank is non magnetic, tho has the red knob as seen on 4M's.
Interesting things happened to some NZ bound Canadian stoves it appears.
Will start a 4m thread when it arrives and explore the similarities and differences.

@OMC @Boogy

Cheers
Barrett

 

old thread
hello again Barrett,
seeing your recent post " Another NZ 4...? "
and from that post:
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Ya know.. much has been learned since this interesting thread started. We're now discussing a 3rd ? such same example in NZ , New Zealand. Three with this unique configuration found within approx. 1 yr there. All 3 with cast burners and non-magnetic tanks.

Re "...definitely a 4M case... " am I missing something, as mentioned above I thought the case is an exact match for the early 4K ?

Re above @MrAlexxx was of impression his late 4K was a match to these examples aside from "Model - 4K" on his case.
Alexxx, By now you probably already know this but on
the later 4K case the windscreens are held in position w/a flat bar,
vs
the early 4K case uses thin rod and addl. brackets. … (& no model #).

@MrAlexxx can you please assist with this and check your late 4K tank, if it is still handy? As far as I recall, the 4Ks in Canada had steel tanks? but worth double checking.
@Barrett if I'm not totally off-base revisiting tanks, call me crazy but
non-magnetic - check.
They are not brass, correct? (there's talk of Coleman cylinder tanks of brass) … jus double checking.
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Re TANK... maybe pause for double check of Canada 4K tanks?
A. Back when we researched this my position was
early 4K, late 4k & 4M in Canada ...
all used the same steel tank. …?
At the moment, I can't re-confirm that, "the book" has no description for the 4K tanks.
The 4M tanks are steel as far as I know, the book describes as "cylindrical gold painted tank" (my 4M has steel tank).

So the 3 NZ examples are non-magnetic tanks, check.
I'll take the blame for jumping on the Everdur band wagon. There is also the next version of corrosion resistant tank, the Solodur tank.
B. Everdur, about that, going forward I think this thread needs an answer: Is a Solodur tank also non-magnetic? (if yes, it may be more likely they are Solodur tanks? or?).

Always good to double check, collaborate and or have multiple sources.
It seems we're onto a rare model 4K, at CCS ("the online resource for camp stoves) we want to try to get it right.
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These 3 "whatdoyacallits" are unique in any case.
What do you call it?
I think you're onto something with title of your recent post, maybe:
Model 4K, NZ :
Examples found in NZ (New Zealand): Canadian early 4Ks that have cast burners & non-magnetic tanks.

(vs in Canada, iirc, all 4Ks have band-a-blue burners & steel tanks).​

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thx

 

@OMC Thank you for a well researched and thought provoking addition/reply to this thread... and my 4 obsession

The tanks, definitely not brass as there is some corrosion, not rust, but certainly more ferrous corrosion than brass oxidation.
Interestingly this new tank has a depression to the right of the valve that looks identical to the depression in @Boogy tank in the gallery (much discussion last night, as a mate believes it's intentional rather than a dent, I tend to agree now)

As with my 4 other Everdue/Solodur tanks, no date stamps to be found, so pre 1960? (Earliest date stamp for CA tank tabs?)
This one still has the black valve knob where as my last (undated) stamped case 4m tank has the red knob, as best I have worked out.... the black knob seems to be <1958/59...ish

Grate appears original on this one.

After the long weekend I'll strip it down to look at the casting numbers on burners and manifold, gut tells me they will match this original thread stove.

In the meantime, it's Saturday morning here, and having arrived late yesterday and pumping and holding air, this one's test fire will be tonight, on the first night of a little 4x4 trip/camping excursion, it's Coleman, it'll work (redundancy includes the wagon's 73 421D and 49 500 lol)

Cheers
Barrett

 

Sorry barrat that is a dent on mine. And I’m sorry to say that looks like a dent too on yours.

 

Interesting that the dents almost look identical and in the same location.

@OMC , yes the case is as seen on the 4k rather than 4m. The legs have internal locking setup and the windshield holding wiggly wires are mounted as per 4k with the additional brackets inside.

Very happy to have found a 3rd no model stamp 4k, always felt my original was as made and not a Franky.
Of course I shall be keeping an eye out for another.

The PO had bought this stove a couple of years ago for general use, its last outing with him was providing hot food at a south island ski field, and it will carry on providing that service, but it will be beach duty for a few months ahead.

 

I know I have read the tanks on each of these 3 NZ examples (4K, NZ ?) are non-magnetic.
We should remain certain on that going forward.

Re my: this thread needs an answer: Is a Solodur tank also non-magnetic? (if yes, it may be more likely they are Solodur tanks? or?).

"if yes"... it's a NO,
because Solodur tanks are magnetic. "...tank attracts a magnet (Solodur)." source
Credit and thanks to StanDahl .
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The impression from many examples US & CA, examples still in CA, the impression is Solodur replaced Everdur.. pick a year (c1942/43...) .

THEN consider in US & CA, after Solodur was in-use (replaced Everdur),
meanwhile there are Coleman examples down-under, still with "Everdur" tanks 1940s into 1950s.

Tony's article ( Coleman in Australia ) , including, not limited to, 1950 - 59 is a work in progress that cautions:
The term “Made in Australia” could be ambiguous – used loosely, it could mean assembled in Australia, whereas “manufacture” has a more precise meaning.

Per ICCC book, manufacture of early 4K cases began in Toronto in '51.
Coleman / Aussie agreements were in-place & developing.
If Coleman products were assembled in Australia... means PARTS ORDERS to Australia.
IF the "4K, NZ" has Aussie connection, consider Australian buyer requesting (early) 4K cases, saying, "just the cases" we already have (or sourced) the burners and tanks for them.

Consider too, the parts buyer, his parts order might result in different tank & burner?

At this point there are many Coleman examples with Aussie connection. None that I've seen closely relate to these latest "4K, NZ" examples but in future we may learn they're equally present in Australia? thx

 

@OMC

The Coleman-Thomas complex in Melbourne, Australia, is the place where it’s most likely that stoves, lanterns and other Coleman products were made and/or assembled from around late 1954 to end 1960 (last date of a dated Aussie lantern in 12/60).

There is no evidence that any of the various Coleman suitcase stoves to emerge from Coleman-Thomas did not have the transfer (decal, as you call it) identifying them as “Made in Australia” (see below).

If there’s no evidence of the NZ stoves having the Aussie transfer, I would count on them (or their components) being imported direct into NZ.




I know a bloke who has a few Aussie Coleman suitcase stoves. I’ll check them out when I get a chance.

Cheers

Tony

 

All little update on my new (4K NZ) that ties in here with this original thread too.
Starting taking it apart for a looksie and start of clean up etc.

First up, as with the original stove in this thread, both the primary and secondary burners have the same number of rings, 5 flats and 4 wavey (check yours please @Boogy )


Manifold (mixing chamber) has the same casting stamp of 6337, but no sign of an E&P as per original stove.


The burner assembly tube does have 6336 as seen on @presscall 4H vagabond, original stove in this thread doesn't (or I need better glasses and more sanding)


So, does this indicate that this stove predates original thread stove? (Or just failure of the casting number on original)
And inclusion of the cast number 6336 on burner tube number confirms this stove was not far behind the 4H, as an early 4k should be?

Such fun

@OMC

Cheers
Barrett

 

And after saying the tank had signs of corrosion rather than brass oxidation, I notice now in more detail some evidence of oxidation.
So some brass or copper in tank material?
Definitely doesn't attract a magnet (hard to show non attractive in pic)


Cheers
Barrett