RM-Veritas 331A

mackburner · Oct 25, 2019

Just acquired this little stove. As far as I can tell it's an RM331A but the tin is marked Veritas and I was not aware they had anything to do with RM. ::Neil::

kerophile · Oct 26, 2019

kerophile said: ↑

Hi, I received an email with comments on these very similar Picnic stoves from my good friend Bryan Miller:

"There is nothing mysterious about the Veritas, Thermidor and RM 1 pint
stoves because they are the same stove. The only difference between
them is that Thermidor always used their unique tank lid on their
brand of stove. Thermidor bought RM in 1952 but both factories
continued in operation after the purchase and RM appeared to do its
own thing although some of the designs were shared by the two
companies. Veritas was the brand name of a range of hardware products.
The brand name was used by Falk Stadelmann I think. They had a
warehouse but no factory. Someone made their products probably to
their specification and put their brand name and trademark on them.
The trademark was registered but the brand name was used by several
firms producing different products. Either Thermidor or more probably
RM made the Veritas stoves. There is an oddity in the situation in
that Veritas had an earlier version of the same stove and I have never
seen a matching RM or Thermidor stove. I am fairly certain that the
information about RM being bought by Thermidor is on the website.
[ Note RM Engineering was taken over by.Samuel Heath and Sons ( Thermidor) in the early1950s ]

The lithographed tins were used for the three stoves at one time. The only
differences between the different brands was the brand name on the
tins and each brand had its own colour tin. Later on the imprinted
lettering was dropped from the tanks and transfers were used to
identify the brand of the stove. Even later the tanks were lacquered
and the transfers were put on top of the lacquer. I suspect that
Thermidor were the only factory making stoves at that time and they
had a stock of assembled stoves. When they got an order for a brand of
stove they simply put the correct transfer on the stoves. This saved a
lot of multiple stocking of the same product. SH &S (Thermidor)
diversified and made Britool tools which were quality products. They
also made brass door furniture. I think that they are now part of the
Draper industries"

Bryan really is very knowledgable about stoves.

Best Regards,
Kerophile
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Veritas 9688 Picnic *

Best Regards,
Kerophile.

mackburner · Oct 26, 2019

Yes I understand the stoves might be the same but what I was confused with was findng the RM logo on a Vertitas stove tin and a clearly marked RM stove inside. I know Thermidor made product for Veritas. They certainly made one model of lantern for them and possibly some of the others as well. I just never associated RM with Veritas. ::Neil::

Simes · Oct 27, 2019

If I read Bryan's argument correctly as linked by @kerophile then an RM branded stove in a Veritas tin shouldn't be a huge surprise.

I must look at a couple of later models I have to see what distinguishing marks they carry.

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