I got the Enders 9061 today and the one knob seems balky. I have an aversion to needlessly breaking toys. I was all ready with the lady of the house out tomorrow to lite it up and I could use some help. Anyone with a real intimate knowledge of the use of one of these? Iain
A friend of mine owns some of these. You may ask him. http://www.russengespannclique.de/Enders9060.html email: pfeiffermc#t-online.de #=@ Tell him I sent you. He is really using his stoves. Also an old fettler; he equipped one of his stoves (where he could not get pump replacement parts) with a bicycle tyre valve. For winter use ... http://www.russengespannclique.de/9060auto.html There are some more stoves on his site; just zap thru. Cheers motorang 8)
Hi Ian. What's exactly the problem with the stove - what do you mean 'the knob's balky'? I've got one of these stoves and it works fine (after I replaced the pump cup). Jim Ford
Hi Jim, The fuel flow knob was not about to turn. I took it apart to clean and worked up the nerve to apply some force. It would appear that some had turned it off just a little too hard. Anyway the knob finally moved and I pulled the flow knob off. It was held in place with a shapped flat (@ 2mm wide) cotter pin. The cotter pin was running up against a key that dropped into a round cut in the brass rod. So off with the cotter, slide off the knob and and the key was ready to drop out. Next the nut holding the fuel control rod and place knob on with key to turn out the rod. It consisted of a taper on the end, threaded and a sleeve. The sleeve worked off and upon an attempt to polish it discovered it was a plated relatively soft material of a pink colour. The fuel rod had a lovely patina of burned fuel which polished off with some Brasso. The tapered tip after polishing revealed a faint raised ring from closing. I proceeded to polish up the whole rod to a nice shine over most of it's length. Reassembled and then on to the cleaning needle. The needle was visible at the top of the swing which happens to be the position it has to be at to slide the controls back into the case. A nice thought as it forces a cleaning job after each use. Polished as much as possible and on to the jet. A little poishing with a metal polishing pad removed some of the burned on fuel and it appeared to be OK. Back the burner unit went into the case after a wipe down to the case and burner. Surprise, surprise, the knobs were much (heavy on much) easier to move in and out of case. I'll read the instructions that I are on the Spiritburner site and see if I can lite it. If you hear a faint bang from the north Jim, I may have been more successful than I planned. Iain P.S. I will do another stripdown latter in the week (Thursday?) and take pictures. P.P.S. Hey motorang, you could mention my success with the poishing the fuel rod on to your friend. And tell him I like his collection. 8) [/code]
Ian. If you have problems with fuel vapour leaking and igniting from the regulator rod gland, do as I did: The fuel gland packing was broken up, so I cleaned up the spindle and neatly wound plumbers PTFE tape around the it until it would just go into the gland housing. After tightening the gland nut, the regulator spindle was gas-tight and smooth in operation. (Don't take any notice of those that say PTFE tape is porous - the relatively large hydrocarbon fuel molecules are not going to wiggle their way through a plug of PTFE that thick!) Jim Ford
Jim, My fuel gland packing is intact except the finish is going so we'll know shortly. Got to love Teflon (PTFE) tape. I think I've seen it on some Coleman stoves of late where the generator enters the valve assembly. I was told by a senior engineer at work that Teflon loves the heat. Iain
Yes, PTFE will stand a soldering iron and is used in gas-turbine engines I've worked on. I believe that when it does eventually break down with heat, it produces some nasty products! IIRC. it also has no known solvent. Jim Ford
The first test results: The pressure was weak on the pump. Oiled it up. Added fuel and ran into my priming problems. There is no graceful way to add alcohol to this stove without a dropper. Resorted to alcohol gel. That works on Colemans. Doesn't on Enders due to the burner design. Lite it up and lite it up. When fuel was coming out of the jet at first, I couldn't get a match going. Then when I heard the pressure, the flame was out and the match wouldn't start. And so on and so forth for 30 minutes. I'll let the oil soak into the leather for a few days and take another look at the instructions. I'll also look into a barbecue lighter. Iain
If you dribble alcohol onto the top of the burner it will find its way into the spirit cup. Any residual spirit remaining on top of the burner will enhance the prime and burn off before the bulk in the cup does, and the spirit is easier to light. As for droppers, a 2.5ml disposable syringe lifts enough spirit for your average prime, weighs virtually nothing, cost about the same & will stow anywhere. Look in the kitchenware area of your local supermarket for cheap disposable/refillable gasmatch lighters; made, literally, for lighting stoves.
I have used teflon tape(PTFE) for over thirty years and wished I owned some of their stock. When I hear that it doesn't seal worth a damn, I have to believe that it was used incorrectly. I have also spun it twixt my sausage fingers to make a packing and have wrapped a wad of it around a shoulder to make a gasket, just trim off the excess. The only place where I would not use it is on a hydraulic system where a small loose piece in the system can plug an orifice in a $10,000 pump and render it a $10,000 anchor.
I'll try the liquid alcohol tonight as I'm doing laundry, nudging the lad on his homework and fettlin the Alcohol stoves. The Landers in roaring away in the kitchen. The "gasmatch lighters; made, literally, for lighting stoves." Are they about 10" long with a trigger at one end the flame coming out the other? If so we call them Barbecue lighters. Iain
Never rush a stove. WIth almost no hair left on my right hand, the urge to rush because the pump seemed to be ready is an understatement. Never add alcohol to a hot stove. Bad medicine especially when you realize your hand is on fire. I melted the measuring cup, another photo to forward. Adds to the memory bank of things tried and best left not repeated. The singe job was minor enough to not totally interrupt the proceeding so I quitely packed up and that was that for now. Iain May the spirits be with you.
Iain, I got one of these about a year ago. Yup the preheat cup is lacking in size. I find I have to preheat twice before it even has a chance to start right. Mine passed the underwater test, then on first firing after it got hot developed a jet of fire out of the control knob. Exciting moments........glad the boss wasn't around to see the fun.... Great stove once it's working right. -franco
Hey Franco, What are you using for the second preheat. Alcohol? You don't mention. The worst part was listening and seeing the fuel sputter out of the jet. So close and so far!!! Iain May the Spirits be with you (even if they shake their heads at what your trying)
Alcohol for me. After mucking about trying different ways of getting the alcohol into the extremely insufficiently sized preheat area, I now use the same methond Ian does. Trickle down from the top, but it has to get down to the lower part of the burner. If I were going to use this stove alot, I would make a preheater cup to fit in there somehow. -franco
I tried Alcohol and that's how I got burned. I have some glue syringes around the house and I want to try them. That way I'm not pouring fuel on a hot burner. I'll get back when I try it. Iain May the Spirits be with you.
Have you blokes tried a metho pre heet bottle for a light on these? They have goose neck and may just work. I don't have one of those stoves to try it .
Good point Albert, I bid and lost on one yesterday. But the problem is still the burner base is small, shallow and the jet is a large part of that space. The problem is how to load enough fuel to the jet for preheating without it just pouring out to the stove case. That is why I will try a jellied alcohol. It will burn and slide slowly downhill at the same time. This weekend I will try if the weather cooperates. Alcohol stoves on Kitchen table or Stove top: Yes White Gas in house at all: No If the ouija board becomes necessary, I'll haunt eBay and ensure the lot of you get what you want! Iain May the Spirits be with you.
