for something made by a mainstream outdoor magazine it sure looks clunky and tossed together..but that fits the Gaz stove's anyway..
are modern day campers affraid to cook? Or to admit they can't? Nuke is not a cooking temp. Sorry, lads. Just noticing that more mand more NEW stoves are comeing out w/ monotemp stoves as a standard and I can't help but wonder what kind of R&D these Co.s did, more to the point what the results were to make them decide to swerve in that direction. At this point, all I can say is thank god ebay is there, other wise I'ld be in the, Montana or Colodado Rockies w/ my flint and steel. If I'm stuck w/ monotemp for cooking, why bother carrying a stove if you have more/better options w/ a f*^%ing camp fire?
It's like the telephoto wars in photography... A newbie in front of a shelf full of cameras would buy the one with the longest zoom. Nevermind that when the bloody thing is all the way out no light can get through it. Never mind that if they just got closer to the people they were photographing and used a wider lens the pictures would actually look way better. It's all about the numbers. Bigger is better. As far as stoves go it's the three minute illusion. The idea of a 3minute boil time for a quart of 33 degree water in a howling gale at 75,000 feet. They ought to learn from the high end vacuum cleaner makers and try to market it as a multi-purpose item... Say like a home Iron smelter for when you aren't camping. Honestly I have NEVER gotten any of my stoves to boil a quart in 3 minutes. (This includes a kenmore range in my kitchen) WAIT! Has anyone used a propane turkey-fryer burner to heat 1 quart of water? That might work! They're not interested in cooking anyway... Just heat water for the Mountain House Freeze-Dried meal.
Oh, how I long for the bad old days when a bunch of us would run down to the CO-OP store, (Now REI) on 11th Ave. and Pine St. to try out stoves by actually firing 'em up and making coffee or tea or cooking dried foods right there in the store. Sales people you grew to know showed you how to light the various stoves and you could try different cooksets, too. Not only that, but for $3.00 or so they would refurbish any stove they could get parts for whether you had bought it there or not. That's where I learned of the gastronomic wonder of Army Surplus dried spinach, by cooking it in a Bulldog Billy, which I still have and use, over a Svea 123, which I still have and use. Over the next few years I must have eaten 100 lbs of Army Surplus dried spinach measured out of a fiber drum into a paper bag at that store. Anotther favorite was dried squash. Wonderful stuff and cheaper than sand. No such thing then as freeze dried anything. Funny thing about the old military surplus dried veggies, I loved the spinach and squash and bought them to eat at home, the potatoes I barely tolerated because they always tasted strongly of moldy paper. And when MIlkman instant milk (With a KIss ofCream) came on the market, I thought the Second Coming had begun. We didn't even know we were at a disadvantage. Gerry
Oi, Thug. Do you go to Army/Navy Federal surplus on...2nd st. down town? I got alot of kit down there, including Candian pack boards, canvas water bucket, tent poles and Carharts pants.
I just thought of one more thing... These are cartridge stoves! Not having a flame control on a cartridge stove is just plain lazy.
This is way beyond me. Could someone explain why this 'Eta' stove's canister is in a plate with water? (or is it wodka, or maybe just plain petrol?)
I think Hobo is half right, a lot of people don't cook anymore. A lot of campers now live on boil in the pouch means, instant noodles etc, cooks quick and saves on fuel. I know some guys who only carry cous cous or rice, plus nuts and dried fruit for a weekend trip, thats all. But for me and my lad, making real food at the end of the day is part of the camp ritual, even if its only corn dog stew and home dried vegetables, or a quick pilchard curry, or a real breakfast in the morning; so I need a stove I can really cook with
You're probably right. This has also been a problem with some other "high end" cartridge stoves. As far as boil time being the only consideration. . . Outdoor gear has long been marketed as though it were all for high-altitude mountaineering. There are certain people out there who would never admit that's NOT what they're going to use it for (it's a macho thing). Anyway, these folks end up with heavy weight expedition gear for a summer trek in the Adirondacks, trying to simmer on a stove designed to melt ice at high camp. ....Arch
I suppose I shouldn't admit that I carried my 111 through a greuling pass near mount Marcy. (indian pass) The first time I saw a nova ad after that... was the most clear cut case of "I NEED THAT" I have ever experienced in my life.
