Vintage Japanese stove

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  1. OMC

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    "IF" this was destined for US / Canada market I have vague recall oil-gas (maybe short-lived fuel / dating clue) is somewhere between kero & white gas.. don't quote, that is not why i post.
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    Thanks you of the translation and no I am not 100 % sure of the age.
    Also I still wonder how to preheat the burner.
    The tank on this one in not separate to receive white gas and kerosene like others.
    So if I can not preheat the generator to use kerosene, do I have to use Coleman fuel?
    But still how I preheat the generator????
     
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    By the smell, I can not say what is in the tank and how long.
    Have a look IMG_20210926_111905.jpg IMG_20210926_112005.jpg IMG_20210926_112403.jpg
     
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    Certainly looks like crap! But I have seen this in old tanks a bunch of times. If you have saved more than a couple of tablespoons, try putting it in a metal cup and throw a match in. Even very old gas will ignite, kero not really. A few rinses with alcohol will wash that out. but you should really shake it around until a wash comes pretty clean. Usually a 1/2 cup at a time, 3-4 times if it's bad.
    If you fettle it or just want to try it as is, I use a propane torch set low as my preheat for the generator. So many times the stove goes out, having the torch around is a help.
    And if it gets to be a running stove, no kidding, on my Coleman suitcases I just splash alcohol on the burner under the generator and light it up. When the alcohol is just about out I fiddle with the on-off and get it going. I usually leave the air-fuel gizmo in the run position and over pump my stoves.
    Hope you have fun!
     
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    Could be... I recall some 19th Century usage of the term ''Coal Gas'' to refer to kerosene. [It was new then, and a cheaper substitute for whale oil.] On some badly-translated ebay ads for China-made camp stoves, I've seen Oil-Gas used to mean kerosene. These translations are an inexact science.
     
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    Liquide gas test in , smoke a lot
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    Hi. I am going with kerosene. The flame and soot tells me this. And it seems to be using the match as a wick.
     
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    Here more details of the stove's tank.
    First. NRV and later the valve.
    NRV.
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    On this NRV, aside to have a pig on one side, on the screws side you have a ball that works like a cheap valve but she stayed down by gravity which leaves the passage open to be able to pump air inside the tank.
    When I receive the stove, it was not pumping because the ball was stock close in a lot of mud which is strange because it should have stay down, open by gravity.
    Here the NRV after clear up.
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    こんにちは、私も同じリンナイのコンロを毎日の様に使っています。後期タイプだと思います。
    私は予熱をクッキングバーナーで行っています。
    予熱皿もありましたが、めんどくさいので使っていません。
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    このモデルは空気量の調節が出来るのでとても便利です。
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    燃料は灯油で火の付け方は
    1. 写真のようにシャフト部を温めます。
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    2. 赤いダイヤルを全開にします。
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    以上です。

    写真を見るとバーナーリングとドレンコックが欠品しているようです。
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    バーナーリングは適当にバーナーの横を塞ぐ形にブリキで作れば役目を果たします。
    これが無いと弱火ができないだけで点火は可能です。
    ドレンコックは適当なボルトでメクラをすれば大丈夫です。
    予熱が足りなくて点火に失敗したときに溜まった燃料を逃がす為の部品だと思いますが、
    私は使ったことは無いです。(バーナーで予熱しているので)

    消化のときは写真の赤いダイヤル全閉の手前のあたりが空気だけ送る領域なので、
    そこにダイヤルを持って行き炎が消える直前に全閉すると匂いを出さずに消火できます。
    ちなみに全開の手前の領域は加圧した空気と燃料を混ぜて希薄燃料にしてくれます。
    プレヒートをしっかりやれば使う必要が無いです。

    写真に写っているダイキンの加圧式ストーブは予熱用のホワイトガソリンと燃料の灯油を入れられるようになっていますが、
    灯油しか使わないです。予熱にホワイトガソリンだと匂いも出るのでおすすめしないです。
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    Hi, too bad I can't read Japanese.
    Does anybody can translate from Japanese to English.
    Thanks
     
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    Please translate for us.
     
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    Can I see inside your stove how air supply and fuel evacuation are connected? They are missing on mine and I love to have the air one.
    Thank in advance
     
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    Google Translate says-

    Hello, I also use the same Rinnai stove on a daily basis. I think it's a late type.
    I preheat with a cooking burner.
    There was also a preheating plate, but I don't use it because it's annoying.

    This model is very convenient because you can adjust the amount of air.

    The fuel is kerosene and how to light it
    1. Warm the shaft as shown in the picture.

    2. Fully open the red dial.

    that's all.

    Looking at the photo, it seems that the burner ring and drain cock are out of stock

    The burner ring works well if it is made of tin so that it closes the side of the burner.
    Without this, ignition is possible just because low heat is not possible.
    The drain cock can be squeezed with an appropriate bolt.
    I think that it is a part to release the accumulated fuel when ignition fails due to insufficient preheating,
    I have never used it. (Because it is preheated with a burner)

    At the time of digestion, the area before the red dial in the photo is fully closed is the area where only air is sent.
    If you bring the dial there and close it fully just before the flame goes out, you can extinguish the fire without smelling it.
    By the way, the area before full throttle mixes pressurized air and fuel to make a dilute fuel.
    You don't need to use it if you preheat it well.

    Daikin's pressurized stove shown in the photo can be filled with white gas for preheating and kerosene as fuel.
    I only use kerosene. I don't recommend using white gas for preheating because it smells.
     
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    Thanks you
     
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    He has posted English in the past.
     
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    Thank you for the translation.

    @JP2 was mistaken for Japanese.
    I sent the photo of the drain bolt before correction.
    It looks like there are no other shortages, but is there any problem?
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    I like to see how and where is it connected to the stove
    (Inside)
    Right now I don't have anything to control air on my stove and I like to correct that.
    Thanks @Rai
     
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    I may or may not be understanding this.
    See pictures for burner ring, air volume adjustment and drain plug connection.
    Your model does not seem to have the air volume adjustment.
    The first model I got did not come with it either.

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