question about usable fuels in coil -jetstove

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  1. CrO2Cl2 Austria

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    Hello, I own a small stove that I want to use in case of emergency, so I will not be able to obtain kerosene. my only possibilities are Gasoline or Diesel. wich of them is a better fuel for a jetstove?
     
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    Scrambler Australia Subscriber

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    Can you please post the name of your stove, or a photograph.

    For most stoves that use kerosene, the answer is "neither".

    If absolutely essential, use diesel but expect the stove to die after a few uses.

    But some stoves can be cleaned, so a name or photograph would help.
     
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    Your stove is definitely for alcohol / spirits.
     
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    @CrO2Cl2 I wouldn't go so far as saying "definitely" on alcohol, because this style of stove is more commonly used with light hydrocarbons- gasoline/Coleman fuel etc. But alcohol is a possibility.

    In a bad situation, gasoline. This stove can be dismantled and cleaned, but I believe they were commonly run on automotive gasoline rather than the stove/lantern/cleaning derivatives.
     
  6. Fettler United States

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    It looks like a "gasoline" (Naptha, Coleman fuel) stove to me, though admittedly no expert. Similar in design to the more modern Taykit coil stoves, or the earlier AGM, and probably many others.

    That's a real gem! If our suspicions are correct, in a pinch you could also use "Lighter Fluid", which is chemically identical and easily found where dedicated "stove fuel" may not.
     
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    coil stove brass Brevetto Milani Italian brass coil stove.
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    Kerosene needs a preheat to burn. Gasoline is too volatile in a Brass coil stove. Blow up in your face. Kamp Kook, Svea 8r and 8 use alcohol.
     
  8. Fettler United States

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    Well, OK, if you say so, but for the edification of everyone following along, how do we know that?

    The Operator's Instructions would be definitive, and lay the matter to rest, but docs on that little guy seem to be pretty scarce.
     
  9. Fettler United States

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    For example - the Taykit was a Gasoline or Naptha coil burner stove. Made of Brass.

    I'm finding it difficult to believe that the Italian example above, clearly made of far superior construction, will "blow up in your face".

    It's important to be safe, no argument there, but at the same time it's also important not to slip over the line into silliness or inaccurate information.

    Anyone know for sure, i.e. have a copy of the Milani instructions?

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    Certainly KampKook, Svea, 8r do not use alcohol.
     
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    Ed Winskill United States Subscriber

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    Most coilburners use naptha/Coleman. Taykit, Stesco, L'il Injun and the lot. They do not "blow up in your face"; and that includes the latter type, which are not of the build quality of Svea 123 and such stoves at all.
     
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    I disagree.
    Borde is a coil stove that uses gasoline.

    BUT ....
    I would check the condition of the stove VERY WELL before use.
    Then in a very safe location.
     
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    I read of 8 and 8R burning alcohol, please explain as I was shure they usaegasoline coleman fuel nafta or how you call that terribly flammable volatile water clear mixture of exane and eptane
     
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    @orsoorso

    Optimus No.8 and No.8R are gasoline (naphtha) stoves for sure. I’ve not seen a conversion to alcohol for them.

    Best regards

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    Little Injun Instructions

    These instructions list kerosene as well as white gas. I have no experience using kerosene in a coil burner and am somewhat skeptical if it in fact would run. Alcohol would not run in this style of coil burner without an enlarged orifice or an air restricter. I have played around with running a Primus 71 with the adjustable burner bell on alcohol. I used brass pieces to nearly choke off all of the air inlets and required some tuning to get it to burn correctly due to alcohol having a lower btu content. Can it run on alcohol, yes. Should you run it with alcohol, I wouldn't recommend it.
    Another example of kerosene only instructions for a Injun Scout coil burner. 46433832-BAD1-46ED-9A1F-87343FF21D8F.jpeg 48249C5A-ADCA-4CBC-BDE2-F42F213640B5.jpeg
     
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    Thank you.

    Why do you have the Primus photo in with the Little Injun stove case?
     
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    Why not?

    Picture 1 shows the directions for the Little Injun are for Kerosene.

    Picture 2 shows modification made to the Primus to run on ethanol.
     
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    @CrO2Cl2

    That is a really nice, and apparently rare, little coil burner. Going back to your original question -- in an emergency, I'd highly recommend not depending on this stove if all you can find for fuel is gasoline or diesel. Better, if at all possible, to find another less rare and easier to clean and repair stove for that purpose. Just my view.