"AMERICAN" Model 520 Stove Dated 1942 Exist?

Hopefully you gentlemen @Scrambler and @ArchMc are correct in your assessment of what appeared to me to be a downright personal attack.
I was just calling it as I saw it (and I've received some PMs from people agreeing with me). Thank you for setting the record straight about @OMC
In situations like these it's nice to be proven wrong!
I'm not a "type-collector" when it comes to WW2 military stoves, but I do like to have complete examples of each:
I have a practically mint 1943 dated Coleman 520 (M-1941, ha!) with box (missing one closing flap), instructions (including 99.9% intact decal and 100% intact instruction placards on the frame), F-canister, tool, extra spares (and extra NOS parts in printed parts envelopes)
Also a mint 1945 dated Aladdin M-1942-MOD stove... alas, minus the tool
>>>>>>So if anyone has a lead to a nice wrench/multitool for my M-1942, that would be fantastic!!!<<<<<<
Before changing direction and downsizing my collection, I used to own some German stoves as well. A nice Juwel and a couple of nice little Esbit cookers.
I am actively looking for an M-1942 "wheel" stove and eventually I might pick up an AGM M-1941, but that's about it.
The material culture and engineering of these little stoves is very exciting and the Army's research and development innovations for the mountain troops was groundbreaking and set the trend for what (light-weight items) we use in the great outdoors today! The two-man mountain tent for instance; it was the most light-weight enclosed tent at the time, complete with "snorkel" vents that allowed for using an M-1942 stove inside... Fantastic stuff. Pardon me, I digress....

 

@Jeronimo,
This is in stove forum (vs a ref. thread), good. I will respond to your kerfuffle, i don't concede much here, in the end, i will ask of you that we have a do-over.

I didn't respond initially, you know now (w/o alert) I could have missed this entirely.

i was, and i am, happy to see konabill, chb and others weigh-in on-topic.

my "I can't recall a connection
mil-spec M1941 -to- WWII 10th Mountain Division"

Your images were a counterpoint towards me?
That is appreciated and begs some questions but re the point...

You're saying that is an image from Camp Hale 10th mountain training (should credit source fwiw) ... ok, I welcome that update, it makes sense and good to know but,
to the point, it sounds to me that you too have not found the 10th was issued the M1941.

re "...what better evidence than from Coleman themselves!!"
re Coleman ad for (civilian) 530, it does support your comment (vs not), i may have seen it, i doubt we ever learn more beyond that it's a Coleman ad for that image? It is an interesting related civilian advertisement. Thank you.
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i'm not going to argue.
i am one to do the leg work digging for details but i'm lacking when it comes to presentation (or niceties).
my thanks to Arch & Scrambler, for me the latter bears repeating:

Given @David R Witte intro (part of my problem) "10th Mountain Division historian ... researching ... equipment [for my book]"
The main point, for me, i was : seeing elements of the question as underinformed, and trying to correct them.

With hindsight you viewed it as "...a downright personal attack."
Fair enough.
re your ..."(and I've received some PMs from people agreeing with me)."
I'm aware of a few who prefer i leave, for them I keep it at "no comment", they don't do the same. One member vented to me directly in a private message (i respect that), he's not a fan, likely won't be but he knows i appreciate his input.
Others that can not deal directly, going around "behind the back"... make of that what you want.

There are many very smart members of this site that have been around a long time.
Nearly all members are better at open-posting comments than I. I happen to be one that offers revelations and updated content often, smallest details might be hard earned. I try hard to be accurate (most often not "proper", it's easy to criticize, may be from those that won't attempt complicated content themselves, knockers & mockers).

arch is right that I "can be abrupt and hard to parse at times" ...definitely

maybe you're right about me "...in this case that you're completely missing the point of having a forum." and maybe not. Make of it what you want.

You are viewing this with the benefit of hindsight.
You're also sharing a version that,
before my comments,
he asked:
"Does anyone know of an existing example of a 1942 dated M-1941 AGM stove?"
1. He never asked that. and
If his inquiry was re AGM M1941 (not 520) i may have remained silent. I for one do not know if one ever existed.

In context, without hindsight, from the top it was "underinformed" / problematic:
**" I'm a WWII 10th Mountain Division historian and I'm working on researching for a book about the clothing and equipment of the 10th Mountain Division in WWII. Before I publish anything, I'm looking to confirm that the company, "American Gas Machine," marked "AMERICAN" on the Model 520 Stoves that they produced, DID NOT make a Model 520 stove in 1942. I have seen AMERICAN marked Model 520 stoves from 1941, 1943, 1944 and 1945. If you have ever seen one dated 1942, please let me know."

David's intro resulted in my comments.
[ along with his: IF AGMs are not Model 520s,... ]
I was surprised later by his: "Still looking for anyone with a M-1941 AGM stove dated 1942."
Apparently he did not get an answer in PM? but did come around to AGM never made a model 520. That's progress.
He then joined the drift off the topic of AGM M-1941... : (.

**His comment is above,
his AGM 520 inquisition remains an open question, feel free to post relevant content in whatever way you think is proper.
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Niceties are not a focus of mine.
meanwhile you're going with (i told you so ? for comment #1 and) criticism for your 2nd comment to this site.
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As for do-over, I'm not going behind anyone's back and DO welcome you both. For further details the site search is excellent and remind:
re stoves used by
WWII 10th Mountain Division.
The topic is always popular as it has been discussed on this site quite a bit over several decades.

NOTE TOO: CCS is global, pretty much anything WW2 related (in lounge, please do digress re WW2) is a welcome topic and you can expect view points from Europe as well.

 

@OMC,
Appreciate the reply!
Just a few things, for discussion's sake...

The photo of the two mountain troopers (left man with the first model ski-parka, the other with the mountain jacket) are clearly using an M-1941. This is a zoomed-in detail from a larger photo that can be viewed on the Denver Public Library's website. That is just one example. I have seen several photos of men of the 10th Mountain using the M-1941. To me, that is part of the "connection". During exercises (including Camp Hale) the men used the M-1941, but the stoves weren't satisfactory. The 10th Mountain Division were indeed not provided large quantities of these (possibly not officially "issued" at all, but were given to the troops for trials), mostly because they were deemed too bulky and too heavy. This, along with operating problems in freezing temperatures is why the M-1942 was developed. The M-1942 had better operating characteristics for operating in cold environments, it was small enough to fit inside the "Cookset, Mountain" and it was much lighter. This info can also be found in Pitkin's tome "Quartermaster Equipment for Special Forces", a study into the Army's developments and innovations up to 1944 as it pertains to specialized troops. So the true stove for the 10th Mountain Division was the M-1942 as it was developed specifically for them.

About the Coleman ad.
The ad IMO is geared towards the civilian market as "things to look forward to after the war, coming to a store near you" type-of-thing.
However, I must disagree with your assessment that this advertisement concerns a civilian 530 model.
Reading the ad, it's clear that the war is still going on and that the final "victory" has not yet happened. With that said, looking at the graphics, some observations can be made:
- First off, the Coleman 530 (civilian) stove was not even introduced yet (1946)
- The Coleman 530 does not have collapsing feet, as both models in the ad show
- Both models shown are Coleman types with 4 feet (this indicates 1942 at the latest). Models with 3 feet first came out in the latter part of 1942
- The final detail is that the trooper in the foreground is wearing the very first model white ski gaiter. These very first iterations were only used at Camp Hale for a short time before they were superseded. Later period gaiters have improved features and differ from the type shown..

All personal issues aside, I know @David R Witte is trying to find visual proof of an AGM M-1941 stove produced in 1942.
I say visual, because I believe we've exhausted the written resources. That year, for that maker is elusive. Even the War Supply Contracts (WSC) are inconclusive:
- American Gas Machine Co from Albert Lea, Minn. had various contracts listed, but only two were listed for "stoves" in the 1942 production period. The type of stove for '42 was not specified (they made many different types)
- Later listings include contracts for "Cooking Stove M1941", which is of course quite clear.
- The QM was only obligated to report contract awards of contracts with a value of $50,000 and above (WSC limitation #1)
- POs (purchase orders) under $10,000 aren't even listed in the WSC, so the possibility of a small contract cannot be excluded (WSC limitation #2)
- Pitkin's QM tome has references, but nothing pointing towards production and delivery numbers...

So "inconclusive" is the best we can get, until written or visual proof pops up. You never know. Stranger things have happened...

 

Still looking for a M-1941 AGM stove dated 1942 if anyone knows of one existing. A picture of an example would be great. Thanks!

 

Mind if I join in here with a question...., has anyone seen touched one of the pencil stoves (burners) Coleman made for the military of WWII time. I've read about them, I've heard from others who have seen them but only in a third hand sharing. Ie, my brothers' best friend's uncle used one way back when to.....

 

Seems a 1942 could be found,,, just a matter of the question reaching the right ears… I saw one of the online auction sites had a 1941 listed as sold, so they must come up on occasion…

https://terry-marsh.com/agm-king-seeley-thermos-stoves-2-later-models/

 

I wish it was that easy to just find the right ears. I’ve been looking for years and never seen one. Every other WWII year has plentiful but never seen a 1942.

 

Resurrecting this post as I still am wondering if anyone has seen an AGM M-1941 stove dated 1942? Every other war year 1941, 1943, 1944, 1945 are plentiful. Thanks!

 

@David R Witte , that is fascinating, even if you find a single 1942 build, they are much less common than other years.

It has been commented that the early vs later stoves have minor changes, with the most obvious being 4 feet changing to 3 feet. So one element may have been "beta testing".

I would also wonder if the stoves were seen as more useful in advance than in retreat.

My question is perhaps not what you would want to know: what were Coleman (et al) doing with their production capacity in 1942? If this was some higher prioritised part (aircraft hydraulics as a random example) then absence could be understood. But perhaps it was different stoves: are there 1942 versions of the medical stoves? What about relative numbers of M-1942 stoves?

 

I did consider the idea that the approval of the M-1942 stove caused AGM to stop production in 1942. However, Aladdin didn't actually start making the M-1942 until 1943 and I have no evidence to actually prove this hypothesis.

 

I went cruising through the gallery here, and it doesn't look like Coleman were making other military stoves in 1942, but they were making at least some M1941/520 stoves:

1942 stamped 520 - 4 legger

 

Yes indeed. I own a Coleman 1942 520. They certainly were making them. However, the one I'm looking for (if it exists) is an American Gas Machine Co. 1942 M-1941.

 

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I have never asked to buy a stove. I just want to know if a 1942 AGM stove exists. Thank you!

 

4 years into asking this same question and maybe someone has seen one I haven't. Anyone come across a M-1941 American Gas Machine (AGM) stove dated 1942? Thanks!

David

 

Thought I did but mine is a 1942 Coleman....my AGM is 45