Yet they serve well in the backcountry as a side dish. Our usual first-night fare is steaks, baguette, wine, with the Knorr sidedish. The latter usually an orzo and small noodle type thing; cheezy, perhaps with brocolli bits and such. So we eat fresh, real food, but the side dish we find nice. Here's the typical dinner plate in the mountains:
Coleman Peak 1. But if as you say a Svea is "too heavy" for you, don't even try to lift a model 400 off the shelf, you might hurt yourself!
Phoebus 725 instructions read- "Reducing the flame. Turn handwheel C slowly to the right until the desired flame strength is achieved. The flame should not be reduced beyond a point where it remains pure and begins to draw small white threads. Reducing the flame by turning the handwheel left in time injures the cleaning needle". I would have thought the 123R and 8R would be exactly the same.
Nice photo, nice meal, thanks! Mr. @Ed Winskill It's always very glad to see photos from abroad cultures. As my language barrier problem, I don't know what Knorr means... Regarding the Pricker needle, personally I don't think it's the good way to be used for control simmering. Simple reasons; 1) does not need it, it's already simple and easy to simmer without the pricker. 2) the pricker has tiny needle that may not very strong under the higher ambient temperature. The pricker itself, it's great feature is just to clean the jet orifice, it has enough job for it. If Pricker is being used for Simmering, in case the pricker needle is burned, or whatever it's damaged or gone (of course it should not be) the flame output is immediately going up so it may cause the safety fails. Of course... very low possibility but not valueable to do it, because it's not needed so much for simmering.
I do not think so. If that was the case Coleman would not have kept putting the pricker on the end of the generator rod.
Hello @snwcmpr , Maybe my safety concern is wrong, I agree with you about Coleman's design (the way of pricker, a long wire in the vapo/generator rod) which is strong. In any case, I don't use Sweden style(as 123's, 111's way) Pricker for a simmering. Because the simmering is already very easy to be controlled without it.
Good Evening, Fellow Stovies! @Fettler wrote: "Coleman Peak 1. But if as you say a Svea is "too heavy" for you, don't even try to lift a model 400 off the shelf, you might hurt yourself! " @JustOneQuestion, I know this was posted in jest, but in truth, the M400 remains one of the most capable simmering stoves of it's type and size! My wife and I have carried it, and it's sister lantern, on many backpacking trips, including forays into the High Sierra. We did not think of it as a super heavy stove, lantern combo. BUT, if, as you say, the SVEA 123 is too heavy for you, then, the Coleman M400 would be far too "tank-like" for your tastes and needs. Looking at it in this manner, I would suggest you use a good Soto cartridge stove, with a light weight cook set. The Soto Windmaster stove, in particular, is powerful, and also simmers delicately, and it's also fairly easy on the fuel consumption. If light, powerful, yet capable of wonderful and easy simmering, is what you seek, forget about liquid fuel stoves, and look carefully at the Soto Windmaster. IMHO, it's the absolute best of breed, and well worth owning, and using! AND, it's super light in weight! Good luck on your decision, and take it from one who loves to cooks, and eat, good food on the trail: Knowing and trusting your stove is more than half the battle! Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Hello Mr. Doc @Doc Mark , I'd like to add the similar as MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe (integrated regulator), and Primus Powertrail with integrated regulator version. (maybe Primus Pwrtrail+regulator is no more exist in the market) Or the new style all in one type, like Primus Lite XL which is very well, and very compact. All above is not the classic stoves but the better solution for not-super-stovies. furthermore, as far as my experience, any of Butane catridge stoves are not very well under the negative-celcius degree weather, this is so important factor if it should be ran in so cold temp. So always my best friend is MSR Whisperlite universal... even though it's a little complicated user friendly compared with very recent butane stoves like above. Happy new year all!
Hello, my good Friend, Mr. Channy, I agree with you that the MSR Whisperlite Universal is a great stove, that can pretty much do it all! it's a favorite of ours, that's for sure! From what I've read, it seems to me that @JustOneQuestion is seeking a very simple, totally fool-proof stove for his needs. Though the Universal is certainly all of that, I'm afraid that it might be too heavy, or complicated for his needs, hence, my suggesting the Soto Windmaster. In the end, it's going to be his own decision to make. I hope that the suggestions that we Stovies have offered him, will be of some service and help him make a wise decision. Thank you for joining in on this, my friend, and have a very Happy New Year! Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc Mark
Hi Doc (and others), maybe I caused some misunderstanding here. I already own or have owned several stoves (Trangia, Kovea, Primus, Esbit ...) and have close to 25 years experience with longer cycling trips and with backpacking in the mountains. I came to this forum with questions about the Svea 123r because I was thinking about using it again. By the way: Classic Camp Stoves is a great website. I found lots of good information here. Keep up the good work!
