Pump

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  1. fjildman Netherlands

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    I’ve got a Primus no 51. I can get the tank pressurized , but it takes over 30 or 40 strokes to make things work.( A bit like a Coleman Peak 1)
    When I pull the pump back, I feel resistance, like a vacuum. The pump tends to solide back into the tube. Any idea what’s the cause ?

    Thanks in advance for an answer!

    Fjildman
     
  2. Nicola Francesco Elia

    Nicola Francesco Elia Italy SotM Winner SotY Winner Subscriber

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    Hi, that’s why the pump non return valve is failing and probably needs a new pip to make the seal again. The stove is loosing pressure from there into the pump tube, that’s why the pump slides back.

    Nicola
     
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    Look like air doesn't enter into the tube on the pull back of the pump. So then not enough air to push into the tank.
    Any pics?
     
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    If you have a common aged pump - it should look like the one in kerophile's link, please note how the pump plunger should be able o move on the pump rod and that the conical part of the rod acts like an air intake valve for the pump - the NRV is the outlet valve from the pump.
    Most problems like yours is due to a plunger mounted wrong way and fixed on the rod.
    If you have the early type of pump parts, the function is similar but plunger and rod have a different valve design like this one:
    Early pump.JPG
    The brass washer should be fixed to rod and hold the leather(viton works fine too) sealing washer - either bottom end of plunger or top side of rod nut need to have a passage for air when pulling the rod, as seen on the nut of this early Primus pump.
     
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    Does it leak fuel into (out of) the pump tube? That would be a classic symptom of a faulty non return valve - it allows pressure and fuel to leak back into the tube.
     
  7. fjildman Netherlands

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    Hi Lennart, thank you. My knowledge of English is limitited. What do you mean by “ plunger”. The whole shaft plus leather cup?
     
  8. fjildman Netherlands

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    Thank you. No the valve does not leak. Maybe I mounted things wrongly.
     
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    Plunger or piston is the part holding the cup.
     
  10. fjildman Netherlands

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    Thanks! Did’nt know it works this way.
     
  11. fjildman Netherlands

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    That makes things clear. I think I mounted the plunger too tight on the shaft. I’ll check tomorrow.
     
  12. fjildman Netherlands

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    Problem solved. Thank you.
     
  13. JP2

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    What was the problem?