Hej Christer If you dont now so are Aspen the origenal and you can buy it from pump in your area in a place with the name Entreprenadbutiken, i dont now where it is but it is in Gothenburg. The factory ho makes it is in Hind?s and can not be so far awey from you http://www.aspen.se/ Anders
Thanks Anders! I checked their list, and apart from Entreprenadbutiken there were a couple of places much closer to me, so I'm not forced to go to the city! (That's a relieve. I'm not really comfortable when it gets crowded... ) None on my island, but the smaller island south of me had a marina that sell four stroke alkylate on pump. And actually, so do another marina at the mainland in the very same community where I go to earn my living! Someone is going down to the seaside there the next working day... 8) Cheers, Christer
What you're not realising here, Michael, is that benzene (C6H6) will be oxidised in the flame to produce carbon dioxide and water:- 2 C6H6 + 15 O2 -> 12 CO2 + 6 H2O
Hello Here in Germoney you can buy Aspen at chops where lumberjacks buy there stuffs. Here its not allowed to use normal gasoline with additivers professional "woodworkers". Endy
Oh, I didn't know that. :o Sounds a bit reassuring. Anyway, thanks for all the feedbacks considering the Svea and fuels. Michael
Yes, what would be the difference in burning it in a stove and burning it in a lawnmower which you follow around breathing in the fumes whilst cutting your lawn. Or burning it in a chainsaw - same thing... For a bit more reassurance, here's a link to an MSDS for Coleman fuel. No benzene listed there, but it can contain up to 0.1% of xylene and 0.1% ethylbenzene which are both harmful substances. Not a problem in your stove because they're also oxidised in the flame to produce carbon dioxide and water. Hope that helps...
Just one more question for the forum. Some Svea's have the control valve stem come out straight and some at an angle. Which one is more desirable, and why? Thanks, Michael
The SVEA's where the control valve stem comes out a Right angle is the 123R (that's how I remember it, anyway!) and this has a jet cleaner. The other, where the control valve stem points downward is the 123 and this doesn't have the jet cleaner. I don't have a 123 but judging by the comments here, that seems to be the preferred model between the two. The 123 is reputed to burn slightly hotter because there's no cleaning needle to obstruct the fuel flow. No doubt someone who knows will be along shortly...
Hey, David, I think you have captured the differences rather well, Sir! I prefer the straight 123, without the cleaning needle, because it simmers much more delicately, and I think it's a slightly better stove. If I only had a SVEA123R, I could do nicely, but I prefer the regular 123, of which I have more than several. (Good to have spares, ya' know?!) 8) Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
What is there not to like about the 123-123R's. Small, light weight, BRASS, cheap to operate, brass, burns the devils spirit, cheap to operate, SHINY BRASS. loverly to look at, and they are economical. Did i mention they are loverly shiny brass when polished. lance PS, they are like knaugus,every one should have two or three hanging about for when the fecal matter hits the rotating air distributation device. lp
I have posted this a number of times before, but here goes: As well as not having a built-in cleaning needle, the fuel flow on the 123 as compared to the 123R is a simple, direct route, which may explain its claimed better flame.
Funny this talk about the 123s came up just now - i am just in the process of picking a stove for hiking in Estonia in two weeks, and the 123R is my first choice so far... Reinforced to take it, if anything. It won over the little Trangia, Opti 91, 8R , 99, and the little Enders Baby, which were my initial,gut-feeling choices.. I feel it's a good choice. Cooking will be for me only, as we decided on each carrying his own, full kit. Heavier, yes, but a proven concept.
I used to think that MSRs were the be all and end all of cookers, till discovering 123Rs in the wop wops of Japan. I bought, used and fell in love with my 123R. I still have the MSR and a Trangia and a titanium supersmall light weight version of that which weighs a gram and cooks for 20 minutes. However, its the 123 which gets chosen for everything from the 14day bush/mountain missions to the day hikes and brew up where ever. I do find, its easier to use with the ethanol paste rather than a dropper and white spirits for starting. I cant imagine going on a 2 week plus hike and each person carrying their own cookers tho. Thats unnecessary weight. Each to their own eh.
OK guys, thanks all. You have convinced me I'll be trawling eBay ads now till I find a good one. Sounds perfect for my use, mainly motorcycle trips and a few family picnics as well. Weight would be an issue on the first, and fast startup on the latter! Michael
Questioning the benefits of the 123 is a quick way to stir up a (friendly) hornet's nest around here. I've been packing my 123 around for over 40 years and it's still got all its original seals, gaskets, and jet. I did get a minipump for starting it in temps below freezing. I also have a Sigg Tourist Cooker, which with the 123 makes other more complex stoves redundant. The simplicity and rugged reliability of the 123 is the stuff of legend. Mine has never failed me. On long trips, carrying an extra liter of fuel might be a good idea. Here in the US and in Canada, Coleman Fuel, white gas, camp fuel, (all the same stuff) is available every where. Almost literally. I have never had difficulty finding a gallon of Coleman Fuel when I needed it. Gerry
Not to disagree with your comments as white gas is probably best, but… I've been using automotive gasoline for decades with no problems whatsoever. In doing so, I've saved hundreds of dollars over the years. And, I use my stoves all the time. Also, my Coleman lantern is over 20 years old, and I've never serviced or changed the generator… Maybe I'me just lucky.
Some countries refer to automotive gasoline as Benzin or Benzina, named after Karl Benz, inventor of the automobile. Not to be confused with the organic solvent Benzene, a carcinogen. (Per Google, so you know it’s true )
@bbsteinle Although now abbreviated to 'petrol', I find the old British name of 'petroleum spirit' rather charming. This is still actually in use, by law the legend 'Petroleum Spirit- Highly Flammable' must be included on all petrol pumps and portable petrol cans here.
