Question about Swedish stove pints and gallons

English standard or American standard ？

 

American is English, but British is Imperial.

 

And some stoves state the working capacity of fuel in the tank, while others state the full volume of the tank....

 

@Tantra
References to pints in Swedish stove catalogs refer to liters and pints. When referring to pints it is
Imperial pints.

re pints: to say American is English ... I'm not sure is helpful.

Given that one might find 3 standards of liquid measure to be
> U.S. Customary Units and > U.K. Imperial Units ...pints are among the sizes for both (US pint vs Imp. pint).
and > International System / Metric Units ...based on liter size.

 

A US pint is 16 oz. An Imperial pint is 20 oz.
A US Gallon is 3.8L, Imperial Gallon is ~4.2L.

[Hopefully an ounce [fl oz] is still an ounce.]

I don't know anything about the measuring system in Sweden, pre-Metric. The Metric system came in under Napoleonic imperialism.

 

American measurements, including volumes, derive from pre-1776 English sources. North America was settled by the English well before before the English became British.

British/UK measurements were formalized later; they are generally referred to as Imperial. They are 19th Century, and thus had no application to the US. They are not "English", but American measurements are.

If you order a pint of ale in London, you get an Imperial pint, not an "English" pint; or so I believe.

As far as stoves are concerned, I think of them as nominal and descriptive, not as exact. A "one-pint" stove, a 1 3/4 pinter, etc. to me are just descriptions of the type, though of course they bear some relationship to the measure.

 

I agree, as a practical stove user it's the best description of the popular Swedish types. Mention you prefer a 2-pint domestic or a 1/2-pinter for hiking and most here will know the sort of thing, even if the manufacturer is obscure or the capacity is not quite standard.

 

Looks like we’ve had a crossover. I must type faster!!!

Hmmmmmm.
I need education here.
Please forgive me if I’m blundering into anything contentious.
Why is this significant?

I can see why the capacity in the name or stamped on a stove is part of its identity. Even if there is no stamp, I can see that the associated capacity rating is important but it’s just an identifying number.
But I’m new to this aspect of stoves. Does anyone measure the fuel that they put into a stove? Is an approximately 20% difference between American and Imperial pints an issue?

Taking @OMC point
If precise comparisons are important then perhaps it could be useful to measure in metric SI (litres) which are international, as an assessment/comparison capacity and calculate nationally specific capacities from that:

Litres x 0.47 = US pints
Litres x 0.57 = Imperial pints

Now that raises another question on this international site Are older stoves measured in any other national units? Is there anything stove associated from Russia that was measured in kruzhka?

Sorry Ed, not sure I understand. All the nations of Britain are now supposed to be using metric units with some exceptions like journey speed and distance (miles) and beer (pints).
Meths, paraffin and petrol are all in litres. I don’t want to calculate the price of fuel per gallon, it would be frightening.

 

Not important from an operational point of view, but significant in terms of research as a useful distinguishing feature... a new discovery for example of a slightly higher or lower capacity from the nominal value can be compared to others that are similar, suggesting a copied design or made under licence etc....

 

Thanks @Blackdog

 

@Pattree There are some interesting further comments on this thread.

 

This raises the question - how accurate is the manufacture? What are the tolerances anyway?

Sorry folks I’m a user not a collector but I have an octopus brain.

 

One would imagine the tolerances are fairly tight, the stamping and soldering processes used would give very little variation between stoves of the same batch. But there can be many variations of the same model number as tooling was changed or designs were altered to improve production or functionality... and research therein lies madness!

 

This is an old chestnut!

When the Pilgrim Fathers sailed to the Americas they took with them the measured gallon as was - the Elizabethan Wine gallon. It contained 16fl oz.
In 1824 England adopted the Ale (beer) gallon of 20fl oz. wheras the Americans retained the Wine gallon.

History, fill yer boots . . .
Gallon - Wikipedia

Have fun with a converter:
Capacity and Volume Conversion (Online Units Converter)

Americans and English. Often said to be divided by a common language.

Imperial measurements can get confused between Imperial Britain, and Imperial Rome. Neither are the originators of measurement.

 

That's the really nice thing about standards, there are so many to choose from!

 

Just to still the mud a little more. 1 Litre is 1.76 Imperial pints so 1 3/4 pint stove are really 1 litre stoves.
Regards
John

 

Stoves always seem bigger than they really are to me, at least that's my excuse when I overfill them and get paraffin everywhere.

 

not slighting anyone, i always appreciate Fettler's input.
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Pattree with your: "I can see why the capacity in the name or stamped on a stove is part of its identity." for me you answer your own question. Capacity is arguably the most important detail when initially reviewing/researching a stove model. Most certainly true for Swedish stove (and that is the question). Readers all time everywhere rely on details here for stove models, we strive to be accurate.
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@Tantra, all,
note: 1. this topic may not be for everyone, it does come up now and then so matters at times to some (count me in).
2. stove catalogs, i am among minority of members frequently referencing catalogs. This may be more relevant for those of us that delve into details within catalogs searching for answers.
3. English is the language on this site but not the language of many members. For many every word is subject to translation (Tantra is from China).

The original question...
Question about Swedish stove pints and gallons
English standard or American standard ？

as-written is an excellent question.
IMO the question as written is not cause for confusion or interpretation.
Tantra, Thank you for the question. Well done.

"Swedish stove pints" refer to Imperial pints, i hope that answered your question.
Swedish catalogs provide detail in liters and Imperial pints (never US pints).

 

Yes, but how many barleycorns to your foot?



I think I'm on course for a slapped wrist!