old primus #1?

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  1. lant-ern

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    This Primus #1 came from an old barn and when I cleaned it up there was no date stamp on the bottom.Do you think it is pre 1911 or did it miss getting stamped? This was my first primus and I would like to know it's age. :?:
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  2. ajvuik

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    Wow... looks like it has seen better days...

    Are you going to fettle it back up to health again :D
     
  3. lant-ern

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    I know! I'm just looking for a date to put on th tombstone. R.I.P.
     
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    Hey, Lant-ern,

    Don't ever give up on an old stove, just because of a little wear and tear!! Why, that stove is still in it's prime, and can probably be made to do quite well, given enough time, effort, and a little luck!! ;) 8) :D :D One step at a time, give it a shot, and I'll bet you'll end up with a wonderful stove, IF you're willing to put the time into it!! Good luck, take care, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
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  5. CWilkins

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    Hello,
    I wonder about the age myself. The priming cup seems a bit small.

    Chuck
     
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    Yep doc knows about time a week on one stove and it sill looks the same when he got it :lol: :lol: Got to go and fire my campingo the two burne or the one burner???
     
  7. Doc Mark

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    Hey, Robert,

    Ya' danged Bastige!! You know darned well that my Campingo looked much WORSE, after I spent a week "working on it"!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :cry: :cry: :roll: :roll:

    Chuck, a good while back, I did some trades with our Stove Brother, Handi Albert, and he sent me an early Primus #1. Here are some shots of it:

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    You can see, it's got that small spirit cup, too. Albert told me, if I recall correctly, that this stove was pre-1911.

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    It's a #1, as you can see.

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    It has lots of patent information, from lots of different Countries.

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    No date stamp on the bottom.

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    And, it also has this:

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    Printed on the cap for the pump is, "F.W. Lindqvists Patent". I've not seen that before, but I think it might indicate a very early Primus. What do you think? The burner top has something on it, too, but I can't make it out without cleaning it. (I know, Robert is now yelling, "Well, hell, Doc! Get off your arse and go clean it"!!!) ;) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I'll let you know what is stamped there........LATER!! ;) ;) Take care, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
    Doc
     
  8. darlton

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    Everything about it is pre-1911. The burner shape, the spirit cup and the sexagonal nut on the pump assembly.

    There are two types of the old spirit cup. One was more funnel shaped. The simpler type I have seen on stoves up to 1914.

    Fr Laurence
     
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    Darlton,the knowledge and willingness of this site is great.
    Thanks.
     
  10. Doc Mark

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    Hey, Guys,

    Just spent some time check around here at CCS, and found what I was looking for concerning "F.W. Lindqvist", who was the co-inventor of the paraffin stove we all know and love today!! According to info on CCS, Lindqvist and his brother invented the improvements that led to a workable and efficient kero stove, for which they were granted a patent. Now, check out the photo of the pump cup surround on my old Primus #1. It specifies, that this stove uses the Lindqvist patent!! I wonder when Primus started labeling their stoves in this manner, and when that practice was discontinued? Any ideas, Lads?? To me, this indicates a very early Primus. Thanks, very much, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
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    Hi Doc

    You really have a special nr. 1 there. Is there something wrong with one leg or is it just the photo. Have you been firing it?

    Regards
     
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    Hi, everyone!
    According to an old Swedish magazine ?Teknik f?r Alla? (~Technology for everyone) from 1949, F.W. Lindqvist patented the actual pump in 1896, even if he used it in a stove already in 1892. That?s probably why you find his name engraved on the pump lid. (The owner of the patent for that 1892 Primus stove was actually J. V. Svensson, even if Lindqvist if stated as inventor.) I have that same ?F W Lindqvist Patent? pump lid on a pre-1911 Primus No 1 J:or and on a pre-1911 Primus No 6. Then again, I also have a pre-1911 (probably closer to 1911 than 1900) Primus no 1 with ?Primus patent? on the pump lid and that same engraving on a 1911 Primus 234. So, I assume a Primus stove with the ?F W Lindqvist Patent? pump lid was produced somewhere between 1896 and at least a few years earlier than 1911.
    Any other thoughts?
    Regards,
    Stefan
     
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    Hej Stefan!

    I've also read that article, pretty intressting indeed! I thinks the same as you about...
    "I assume a Primus stove with the ?F W Lindqvist Patent? pump lid was produced somewhere between 1896 and at least a few years earlier than 1911."

    Maybe I shall try to translate the article into English...

    Mvh
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  14. Christer Carlsson

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    Co-inventor?
    From what I know he was the sole inventor, even if it seems as he glanced a great bit on other peoples earlier work.
    I never heard of his brother being involved in this!
    Can you please direct me to where you read that part?

    Thanks,
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    I've a pre-1911 Primus No. 1 and the priming cup on it is just like that - it looks far too small for the stove...
     
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    Hey, Christer, Jens, and all

    Sorry that I missed this question, Lads. Check the "Manufacturers Information" area, and then cllck on " J.V. Svensons Fotog?nk?ksfabrik". There you will read about Lindquist and his brother, and also Svenson. Hope that helps.

    Jens, when this old Primus #1 arrived after it's long trip from Australia, one of the legs had broken off, as the solder joint had come loose. I have never tried to fix it, but should do so, one of these days. I've never fired this one up, but again, should do so! Take care, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
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  17. David Shouksmith

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    I've had a quick look for my stove and it wasn't where I thought it might be. I can't remember it having the patent information inscribed on there though.

    What I found particularly interesting is that the pump guide on Doc's stove appears to have had a brass annulus let into the centre, presumably because the original part had worn oval through use:-

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    Now mine has had exactly the same repair in exactly the same place with exactly the same consummate craftsmanship - how bizarre...

    But wait, let me explain. I got my stove given to me at Newark 2005. The filler cap knurling is so worn that someone had filed two flats on it to gain purchase for opening and closing. I found that it leaked around the nipple and tightening had no effect so I took it around to Ross for some TLC. He recognised the stove by the unique filler cap as one he'd owned previously and remarked that if I looked closely, I'd find a pump guide repair, which had been carried out by none other than Albert White (aka Handi Albert)

    So, hopefully, Albert will tell us why he's gone to the effort of carrying out such a tricky repair at least twice, when a replacement part could so easily have been fitted. I can only think that it was because the F.W. Lindqvists Patent pump guides are worth preserving. Albert..?
     
  18. Locksmith_500

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    Hello everyone. 8)

    This is my Primus with no modell number and no stamp underneath.
    It do have the Lindqvist lid and the flat Primus tank lid, but I have also noticed that these early stoves has a distinct shape on the legs.
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    If there is any one having a leg like this laying around I'm gladly to adopt it :D
    Then I can start with a weekend fettle on this one like my radius 5
    https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/9336 tried to make it short but didn't work out for me
     
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  19. stejar

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    Magnus Tillander wrote:
    "Maybe I shall try to translate the article into English... "

    Hi Magnus!
    Already done. I am about to sent it over to Ross.
    Stefan
     
  20. Spiritburner

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    No need Magnus.


    Many thanks Stefan for the article & the translation. This is a significant piece of research even if it is from 1949! It answers many questions & even clears up some misinformation apparently given to Magnus by the Technical Museum regarding the Endura stove.

    If you could refrain Magnus, from posting any snippets here I'd be grateful as I'll be putting it together as an article in both English & Swedish from the info that Stefan has so kindly contributed. I