TRANSLATE, help with German to English

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  1. OMC

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    source: Photo of the Optimus factory in Gdansk, Poland [ Danzig ]

    The translation is at the bottom of this comment. Below i "show my work" as to how I got there.
    any/all corrections welcome.
    For me I question 2 remaining pieces:
    Q1. Fabrikansicht > fabrikan sicht > factory view <-- a better translation would be?
    and
    Q2. what is Portierengarnituren?
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    @Knee Thank you. Your 2 recent Optimus - Danzig posts are much appreciated (2nd post)
    If/when there are replies Q1 & Q2 i encourage you add translation to your ref. post.
    tag fyi @Staffan Rönn

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    vvv show my work vvv
    OCR:
    Fabrikansicht Optimas-Werke Danzig-Oliva
    SCHWEDISCHE METALLWARENFABRIK
    »OPTIMUS"
    DANZI 'G- OLIVA
    spezialfabrik zur Herstellung von:
    Petroleumgaskochern,
    Spirituskochern,
    Sturmlaternen und
    Portierengarnituren

    OCR tweaked for google translate:
    fabrikan sicht Optimas- werke Danzig-Oliva
    SCHWEDISCHE
    metallwarefabik
    ֦OPTIMUS"
    A.-G.
    DANZIG - OLIVA
    spezialfabrik zur herstellung von:
    Petroleumgaskochern,
    Spirituskochern,
    Sturmlaternen und
    portierengarnituren

    Google TRANSLATE:
    factory view Optimas-Works Danzig-Oliva
    SWEDISH
    metal ware factory
    ֦OPTIMUS"
    A.-G.
    DANZIG - OLIVA
    special factory for the production of:
    The petroleum gas cooker,
    the spirit cooker,
    The storm lantern and
    the porter set
     
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  2. Knee

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    I used modern technology.
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    @OMC Next time I will paste a copy with the translation below the original.
    I also don't know what is "portier sets"?....
     
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    Knee thank you.
    That's slick. :thumbup:

    All, open question:
    Q2. what is Portierengarnituren?
    (Swedish Portierengarnituren 1922-33)

    btw recap to Knee's credit above is a revelation , we now see
    Optimus - Danzig advertised "production of"
    kero stoves (incl 1S) - chk
    Optimus spirit burner would be???
    Pressure lamps - chk (good to know) and
    Portierengarnituren (and wtf would that be? not a blow lamp? )
     
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    The Portiere rod bracket fixes to the door frame, whilst the support bracket fixes to the door itself, allowing the curtain to be opened and closed in conjunction with the swinging of the door.

    upload_2024-2-28_15-25-5.jpeg
     
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    @OMC
    Wife speaks some german (Shes Slovak but speaks a bunch of languages)...she says:
    Fabrikansicht Optimas-Werke Danzig-Oliva - Company brand Optimus-Works Oliva (like under department)
    SCHWEDISCHE METALLWARENFABRIK - Swedish Metalworks Company
    »OPTIMUS" - Optimus
    DANZI 'G- OLIVA - Like "part of a city in Gdansk Poland where lived german people"
    spezialfabrik zur Herstellung von: - Special company for production of
    Petroleumgaskochern, - Petrol cookers or Gas Burners
    Spirituskochern, - Alcohol/Ethanol Cookers
    Sturmlaternen und - Storm Lanterns
    Portierengarnituren - Kits/Hardwares for doors
     
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    As a native speaker of German: A "Portiere" is a (usually relatively heavy) curtain. The term is rather obsolete, though.

    To the best of my knowledge, a "Portiere" does not necessarily have to be fixed to a door (albeit it could). I would understand "Portierengarnituren" as (probably heavy/strong) curtain fixtures.

    Best,

    Christina
     
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    upper is written DANZI 'G- OLIVA it is inproper
    proper is
    DANZIG - OLIWA

    where DANZIG is main city of special area FREE CITY DANZIG
    and OLIWA small city belonged to that area - where that factory was located

    btw
    till that moment there is no information about other production except petroleum stove
    it quote Supremus time too
     
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    edit 1: oh, @Knee there ya go, ^^^ there's a translation you can add to your ref post. That is quite the revelation you have found for us.

    edit 2 ah ha!!! i only now notice the title was changed (to German) and new post started EXCELLENT, well received. I presume the translation is accurate (SO, the text in the image is German. I translated Swedish :shock: hehehe )

    i was already away from the hobby for the day and glad i checked back.
    i can't keep up (and no more time today)
    @Nicola Francesco Elia @gieorgijewski (all) we agree Knee has provided a revelation re multiple Optimus items in production at Danzig.
    [ i wonder if there are any pressure lamp known examples stamped with OPTIMUS * ORIGINAL ? ]
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    all, my prior portier search results also only found the curtain related item.
    this speaks to the gieorgi point that Danzig factory production might not have been directed exclusively by part owner Optimus. Curtain hardware is certainly not what I/we would expect. Maybe this offering was all or partially made of brass... might better connect it, kinda?

    @kerophile thank you. your image was added later, although image shows us a portier set(?), there we have it. Engineer in me is curious how it works but that's off-topic for somewhere else.
    At risk of it being way off FWIW curtain / drapes in Swedish is draperier
    gotta run, carry on, thx all
     
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  11. gieorgijewski

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    Humor from "old times"
    hard to understand for current generation:
    in caffe-restaurant on the wall was written:
    "Please do not wipe your hands on the curtains
    That's what portiers are for."
     
  12. Nicola Francesco Elia

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    @OMC thanks for your question about Optimus lamps made in Poland… and @gieorgijewski I call you in.

    1922 is a little early for known Optimus pressure lamps, let’s consider that on 1930/1 Optimus released the lamp 821 copying the model number of Baby Petromax 821… obviously Petromax took a legal action against Optimus and from 1931 it became Optimus 200, the well known 200cp lantern.

    I am lucky to own a rare Optimus 821 :)

    Said this, I think that Optimus maybe made oil hurricane lanterns in Poland (Optimus oil lanterns are not common, but I have seen a few).

    What is interesting is the GLOBUS name that @gieorgijewski often names…

    It suggested me a possible connection between Optimus lanterns and Metalglobus lanterns, that are very common… Metalglobus logo always reminded me Optimus logo, so maybe this is something to investigate:

    IMG_6028.jpeg IMG_6029.jpeg

    Nicola
     
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    And the globus of GLOBUS stoves:

    IMG_6030.jpeg
     
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    repetitio est mater studiorum...
    if You talking about Metaloglobus (sic!) lantern it quote to Romania
    metaloglobus lampara - Google Search
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    till We not see any lamp or alc stove with OPTIMUS ORIGINAL - We can not say about production in Danzig

    because
    That factory was builded for money
    from sale goods on Poland territory

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    where pressure lamp are unknown as objects from "thats time"
    where oil lamp are too cheap and was produced on our territory
    where alc stove was produced on our territory as the part of tax war with Germany
     
  15. Nicola Francesco Elia

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    Oh yes, I really forgot (and I knew) that Metaloglobus lanterns were Romanian :)

    I can say, that we’ll hardly see any pressure lamp marker Optimus Original… also because rarely pressure lamps were stamped on bottom plate.

    Nicola
     
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    Optimus bought the division of consumer pressure fuel products from Lux in 1917 but it was a 5 year overlap before all Lux branding was gone from Optimus production - the quite popular Lux Sirius lantern seem to have changed name to Optimus Sirius in 1922 while some of the stoves and blowlamps from Lux had been branded Optimus already before WW1.
    The Optimus designed pressure lamps appeared after 1922 and were usually Petromax clones.
     
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    Sturmlaternen und Portierengarnituren
    I'm going with Storm lantern and carrying case set. :-k
     
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    I’m just wondering how I ever got along this far in life without any curtains on the door. Is there a fashion purpose not readily apparent in the picture? Great way to save heat I guess.
     
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    Draft excluder. The metal rod at the top is extended beyond the door jamb, so when the curtain is closed it covers the "crack". My grandmother had them on all her doors in the sitting room! Great heavy swaithes of material. Doors weighed a ton! Modern cardboard doors wouldn't support them.