Svea 123 Research Project, prelim

Hi,

I am stating to wonder how many types of 123 lids there are.

In the photograph below are four lids and two lids for the mini-pump.

Left to right, lid that came from the parallel sided mini-pump I bought new from A&H in the U.S.A, lid that came from the angld mini-pump that I bought new in the U.K. from Base Camp, slotted lid from a late 50’s or early 60’s Sievert 123, (no concentric rings on burner head) a lid from a mid 50’s Sievert 123 (Everything on that stoved is engraved with Sievert, the key, the burner plate, burner head and lid),(no concentric rings on burner head) lid from an Optimus 123R and finally a lid from a 60’s 123 Sievert 123.(concentric rings on burner head).


The next photo – the lids are in the same order but shown from below.

The next photo is the two min-pumps.

Final photo shows very long engraved key (70mm) from the 50’s Sievert 123 and in comparison the “usual” 50mm long Sievert 123 key.

Some of you have loads of Sievert 123 owners have loads of these stoves…are there more variations???

I very much look forward to Doug’s findings in due course.

 

heck, i'd like to find a pump for my 123R!

(looks like they're unobtainable now?)

 

you could fill a post just on what all the tabs and holes on the keys are for

 

Try A & H Enterprises. Look under the 8R parts. You may be pleasantly surprised.

http://packstoves.net/cart/index.ph...id=280&zenid=463af035e5d6b3badce2366e7bf95386

AR

 

thanks - i just ordered - will let everyone know how this turns out...

(i'm tired of using a nalgene of alcohol to start my breakfast out in the park)

 

More data ... Unfired Sievert Svea 123

 

bump shhh
Ross,

In 2009 you had it right, +1 with that.
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FYI, 1969, Primus - Sievert Div. of Sievert Inc.
47 Larkin St., Stamford, Connecticut
1969 Primus - Sievert Catalog, propane Stamford boxed, 1969 Sievert Svea 123 on pg 5 .
@Spiritburner

*(Stamford) Sievert Red & White box was exclusive to US or N. American sales.
Meanwhile the mid/late 60's (Stockholm) Sievert Green label box may have been global sales. I would think, some Green label Sievert boxes may have also made their way to US as well, thru different established Stockholm --> US channels.

After the take-over Optimus's controlling interest directed the packaging of the Svea 123 (Red & White / Green / then Lemon). Directly following the take-over Optimus continued to use "Sievert" packaging (& "Sievert" parts to a much lesser degree). Any "Sievert" stamped parts/stoves ended w/take over.
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Additionally, as has been said 1968, 69, 70, 71 US sales of the Svea 123 were increasing.
The Sievert Svea 123 was a very important Sievert asset for Optimus to manage well at the time that Optimus took over Sievert/Svea liquid fueled pressure stoves.
An objective for the Optimus take-over to not disrupt US Svea 123 sales/distribution (the gravy train) seems to have succeeded.
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Last but not least: Doug's intent for the thread is to gather Svea 123 dating details. Among many details that have emerged in the long meanwhile is this:
Earliest Sievert Svea 123 & earliest SIGG TOURIST

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Great, thank you all. Admittedly much of the information is over my 78 yo head. I'm not a collector but when I could walk normally and canoe I bought one 123 Sievert, one 8r, and 5 123R. All but one were used and not in boxes. The new one is about 20 years old. Having read your tremendous research and comments I am now afraid to use any but the unfired stove. I have no way to test them. I have replaced the washers in several caps. I am leery about giving them to any friends or young relatives. Should I polish them up and clear off a shelf for them?

 

Rick (@Rick Robinson ),

There is no reason, at all, for not fettling and then using, or selling, or giving away, some of your 123R stoves. I have quite a few of those, and once they are fettled, with seals and pips replaced, they work just like new, and are absolutely safe to use. IF you are afraid to undertake the fettling, maybe some of our Washington State members can help you with it. What say you, Rick? If you have questions, please ask away. Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc

 

Even new old stock, unused, stoves likely might need new seals. Seals harden with time.
Easy to learn to upgrade seals.