Hello everyone, my first post here. And I have to say what a wonderful resource for stove lovers. I'm new to the ownership of Swedish stoves. I have a Primus 71, Optimus Pocket 96, Svea 123, and a 111multifuel US Marine corp stove on its way. When I got my 71 as my first stove of this nature I was soooo iimpressed at how such a simple design that required no pumping up could run so beautifully. I just stood there watching it burn in total amazement. Kinda purrs like my cat but LOUD LOL. My question is this; Are there stoves like the 71 and the 123 which will run on parafin that don't require pumping? Said differently, are there any that are self pressurizing? If so, which makes and models? Also, can these white gas stoves run or be made to run on Kerosene? Were there any conversion kits made for said stoves? I'm thinking a simple burner change.....but not knowing the inner workings of these stoves I am at a loss. Anyone? Ian....
Unfortunantly, as far as I know the answer to both of your Qs is no. I had hoped for the same kinda discovery when I first got into them. Also, before you ask, no they(kero presure stoves) wont run on biodiesel either But the 71s, 80s 123s etc WILL run on unleaded. if you use it rather than coleman fuel; use spirits to prime w/, STINKY! Welcome to the site, mate. Aaron
Hi, The technically correct answer to this Q. is ..... No. HOWEVER ... This little baby self pressurises, although it also has a pump. It is a Primus 96, and as others hereabouts will tell you, some of the smaller brass kero stoves will self pressurise, but slowly, it needed a double prime of meths, indoors in a warm kith?chen. I'd hate to have to depend on it working out in the field. The problem is with the fuel, I believe. It just doesn't want to vapourise under it's own steam .. so to speak Perhaps, if a pot was placed on the pot supports, then the flame might improve a bit, but really, you might as well use the pump provided. Also the burners on the kero stoves have a greater mass, which when heated by the priming fuel works to vapourise the fuel inside. The 'lighter' burners on the small petrol stoves don't have enough 'body' to vapourise the heavier kero. fuel. ( I think that's correct anyway) So, in the end just enjoy the small, self pressurising, petrol burners as the little beauties that the are. Get yourself a brass, kero burner or 3 and enjoy them too, and .... Enjoy the Flames
Spudz, I too have the 96 but the pocket system. I am still waiting for it to arrive though and have not had the chance to opperate it. They are like little pieces of art to me. I normally don't ask such questions as generally items like these are designed to do things well within their own parameters ie; white gas stoves run on wg, and parafin stoves run on parafin etc. However, can a parafin stove run on white gas/coleman fuel or unleaded? or...... Can they run on a 50/50 mix or blend? I'm being a pain in the butt here but I am just trying to get a sense of what can and can not and should not be done. My curiosity will then be quelled. Wish I knew more about why some stoves can burn many fuels and others only one type. Obviously it is n burner design but at this stage of the game I don't know how or what sets them all apart. I'm hoping this site will clear up all that. grin. Thanks for your comments so far fellas. I have been doing lots of reading on here. Wish there was more time in a day. LOL Ian....
Ian, the big problem of using petrol in a classic keroburner is that they do not have shutoff valves; rather, they rely on pressure release to stop. But petrol stoves have shutoffs. Petrol will burn fine in most kero stoves, but the danger comes with shutting the stove down-- the pressure release if there is petrol in the tank creates the distinct possibility of the ignition of petrol fumes upon release. This has often happened (and of course it has often "not happenend" also). It is an unsafe practice. Obviously this is because of the much greater volatility of petrol over kero. I often use some petrol in kero if I'm going to be in the cold, but I limit it to 10 or 15 percent.
aint it the truth !! someday, I'm going to try this petrol in a kero burner and turning off the stove to maybe produce a Shouksmithian flame
Hey, Arch, Couldn't agree more! Well said! Welcome to CCS, Ian, where you'll find the stove waters, deep, friendly, and very inviting!! Glad to have you on board the SS Spiritburner!! Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Welcome; I'm new here too. I am bowled over at the warm welcome I have received and the civility of the members/ forum.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html If you scroll down over half way on the page you will see that they have been running a cheap indian roarer on biodiesel for 2 years. Biodiesel won't travel up a WICK very well, but it can be burned in pressure stoves. I tested it in a wicking Kerosun heater and even after mixing it with about 40 to 50% kero it did not burn very well. It did however burn. I ran pure kero through the heater after and it still ran slow throught the wick. I suspect I will have to run kero with about a half a cup of denatured in it to clean up the wick, that or take it out and wash it in denatured and then soak it in kero. It''s the heater I don't like to use, so not a priority.
HOT DAM* One thing... I noticed it's a 1 litre, might that have anything to do w/ it working? Or has anyone here tryed it w/ a 1 pinter? Other Q; Biodiesel, cooking oil w/ lye and spirits, or just buggered cooking oil? Which (if aplicable) wld work best? If you can't tell, I'm realy (as are alot of my freinds) into this possibility. Cheers, Aaron
you'ld think that in a town like San Francisco, preaching how good it is to be "GREEN", wld make it easier to find Bio Diesel fuel. I was gonna test my 210 w/ the stuff, but the only aparent station serving it is MILEs away. Don't make no sense, no how. Lemme know if anyone else has better luck finding it and testing a "green" stove option. Ya gotta admit, it is kinda funny as well as redundant; "green camper"
Well fellas, that has to be about the warmest welcome I have ever received on any internet forum. It is always nice to settle in with folk of like mind isn't it! Thanks for your answers and comments. I am sure there will be many more of both LOL. Three weeks ago I received my first ole brassy in the form of a Primus 71 with can. Three weeks later I now own 13 stoves! What just happened here? You will have to excuse me here fellas, I have to go practice my ducking. I'm sure the wife will be just a swingin when she sees our next bank statement..........grin.
I just tested a machine in Okland, they couldnt get the right enviroment friendly oil localy so we had to order it (not much) by air from Holland, just to keep up with local regulations. We do whatever's necessary to be enviroment friendly. The next (and greater) shipment will probably be shiped in an ordinary way. dsk
Hobo won, Watch the movie "Who killed the electric car?" Martin Sheen narrates. You can get it commercially in Denver, but it's more expensive than it shoud be! The movie will give you a clue about why it's hard to get out there. It all ties together. You can find people on Craigslist here looking for or offering used veg oil for biodiesel making. Might try that if you're looking. I haven't a diesel vehicle yet.
[media=youtube]7g7kPKjYKtI[/media] A bit of fiddling but it works just fine. (not related to the above, per se) It seems ironic how many videos are posted on the web of people boiling water....watch paint dry? no, but we will watch people boil water...... Here's the second one in a row I've found.....with a soundtrack.... http://www.youtube.com/user/Tzstove Hey Dan, I am guessing "gaol" is prison? Kids these days..... [media=youtube]uoNV6n2Mo5w[/media]
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what happened? THE BUUUUG! hope the missus ain't got the cast iron. Good luck w/ that part. It's the one thing we Can't help you w/. Cheers and welcome to the forum.
