Tilley radiator question

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  1. Virginijus

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    Hi, Gentlemans.
    Strange problem happened after some burnings of Tilley radiator.
    At first burning was exellent.

    Now, nice flame burn about 1 min:

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    Then, flame begin "to play" and begin to burn messily:

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    Next stage of the burning:

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    And after then, flame begin to burn inside the burner:

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    I watshed burner, it seem good. What the problem may be here?
     

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  2. Dutchmike

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    Hey Virginijus, it seems like your heater is loosing pressure somewhere; your photo's display very good the sequence of a dying flame!
    Good luck!
    Mike.
     
  3. David Shouksmith

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    I'm not sure I'd agree - but whatever the cause, the burner should never be allowed to become hot like that... :doh:
     
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  4. Virginijus

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    No! Presure is good! Flame don't die, but burn somewhere inside burner.
     
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  5. fyldefox

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    Is that not underburning ? Never seen it on a radiator.

    New vapouriser is needed I would say.
     
  6. pete sav

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    I agree with dave no way should that be getting that hot

    couple of things come to mind
    has it got the ceramic tube on the spigot
    and has it just got parrafin in the tank
    could there be some debris in the mixing dome restricting cool air getting down the air intake

    intresting pictures pete
     
  7. Virginijus

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    Yes, tube is OK, and miching chamber is perfect clean. One question- what diameter must to be air intake tube? It was missed and maybe I fited some smaller one?.But first burnings were perfect... :-k
     
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  8. pete sav

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    Hi the internal diameter of the air intake tube should be about 14mm,
    now you say you replaced this does the tube go right into the middle of the burner so the air mixes with fuel vapour before going into the mixing chamber top and the back down to the holes in the burner this is important to function correctely

    maybe the diameter is not so critical as i blocked mine off 50% and it still worked but if it dont go to the centre this maybe the problem if not maybe someone has a spare burner out there

    cheers pete
     
  9. Virginijus

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    Do you want to say, the end of tube is inside of burner?
    I put the tip of tube on the hole border. the tube position look correctly symetric from all sides :?
     
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  10. Virginijus

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    I did observe, that flame become fine again after some pause. When burning become fussy, I shut down a burner and light up it in half a minute, after some cooling. Can it mean, that someone part overheat in time, when flame burn right?
    Sometimes burning is wrong some seconds after lighting, sometimes- after 15 or 20 minutes :x worst problem is perdue problem :x
     
  11. Virginijus

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    I did burn it without mantle- flame is fine, but mantle looks fine too- two very litle holes is in the down part of them only ](*,)
     
  12. Virginijus

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    Hello, Gentlemans. A new vapouriser came to me from Tilley homeland.

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  13. Virginijus

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    But...
    Vapouriser new, problem old... :x

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  14. Virginijus

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    What I can replace more? (I am thinking about replacing all radiator :x )
    What you think about this mantle?

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    Can this small holes to be a reson of burning problems?
     

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  15. David Shouksmith

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    No, they're meant to be there (but don't ask me why!)

    The mantle is way past it's best and probably needs replacing. But I still think the problem is the vapouriser, though. Usually they need to 'burn-in' for 10-20 minutes before they behave properly - with a bit of luck, that may be all that's needed.
     
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  16. Bom Bom Bom Bom

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    I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't know what those holes are for!

    I always assumed it might have been for some sort of mantle support gizmo that I've never seen (something like the optional extra for Petromax lamps) and was a backwards compatibility overhang from the old asbestos mantles?
     
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    Hey Virginijus,

    1st I say, nice looking R1 you have there, normally these are real heat beasts and can make a chill night not so chill.

    As for yours, I notice that you put the air intake (The funny tube that points sideways) to the back, I'd suggest you put it to the side, I say this, because, although you say that it burns blue, it burns outside of the mantle, it should not do that. This means that it is being deprived of oxygen and can not get a good mixture.

    If this doesn't work try to take the burner apart, but be careful while doing this as brass can get brittle when it is heated up and get's old. If you can not take it apart by hand easily, then don't, you don't wanna destroy the threads that hold the burner together. If it won't come apart then try to poke it with steel wires and such to see if it has no obstructions inside the burner head.

    To be sure it is the burner head assembly you could try and fit any other Tilley burner (X264 burner will do, even without the hood)on it, if you have any of-course.
    If you do not get the, as our english friends call it, dreaded black mantle decease then the rest of your radiator is ok.

    Otherwise you could always go and look for a new burner head :p
     
  18. Ian Bingham

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    I'm only guessing, but maybe the holes are there to allow the pre-heating flame to travel inside the mantle and ignite the vapour. Without these, is it possible that the temperature inside the mantle would be too low to get the heater running?

    Ian
     
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  19. Virginijus

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    I had try do it. No efect.
     
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  20. Virginijus

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    Burner is good. More- I had fit-off them, to revise all tubes connections in blind end of them and to flatten a bent burner head.

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    After them, all parts were correctly fitted.
     

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