Coleman 413D

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  1. Daryl

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    Well used Coleman 413D 1950-53 last of the round founts. Large grate area works well with large pans and oven. This model has 'towel bar' that turns lid into extra prep area.
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    Grand old stove!
     
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  4. Mark Amft United States

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    I just got one of these at an estate sale. All the knobs turn and the pump goes up and down. It’s in decent shape but I bet hasn’t been used in decades. Filled it with Coleman Fuel and downloaded the manual. Tried many times but I cannot get it to do anything. The match might have sputtered but that could have been the wind. I don’t see, hear or smell anything. Any thoughts?
     
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    1. Are you pumping correctly? For a Coleman pump, turn a quarter turn counterclockwise, put your thumb over the hike on pump knob, then pump.
    Do you feel resistance? If not, pump leather is shot or needs oiling.
    If it pumps ok, twist pump knob clockwise to seal it down.

    Do you feel very hard resistance? NRV may be stuck.

    2. Is there a leak in your fuel cap gasket?

    Check these, and let us know.

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    I did turn the pump and put my thumb over the hole. It's hard to say if there is resistance. Not really. I sprayed some WD-40 on the pump "shaft" when I was cleaning it up after I bought it. Maybe that was unwise?

    I don't see any gas leaking out, but the gasket looks pretty old. I'm taking it to a friend who has an old lantern that he is fastidious about.
     
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    If there’s no resistance on the pump, then the leather pump cup needs to be either refurbished or replaced. Unscrew and remove the pump. If the pump cup is just dry, and isn’t torn or worn down, it can be lubricated. If it’s leather, submerge the end of the pump in a small container of oil. Motor oil is fine, but any kind of oil will work — even olive oil. Give it several hours to soak, and then massage it with forefinger and thumb to soften it and remove any hardened residues. Gently flare it, so it will fit more snugly into the pump tube.

    If it’s not leather, rub it with some silicone grease. Rubber pump cups and o-rings are much more likely to need replacement if they look worn.

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    I was unable to unscrew the pump. Is there a trick to this? The cap has no grips.
     
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    The pump cap will be retained by either two small screws or a semi circular wire. After removing either the screws or the wire, unscrew the pump shaft counterclockwise as though you are going to pump pressure into the tank. The pump cap may seem stuck, which is not unusual. Hold the pump shaft end with the hole in it and give a sharp, quick tug. That should remove the pump shaft with the leather at its end. If none of this makes sense, do a quick youtube search of how to light a Coleman stove and this instruction should become more clear. Edit: I added this video to show the pump removal. I didn’t watch the rest so I don’t know if he knows what he is talking about.
     
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    I wondered what that wire was all about…
     
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    Worked! Leather looks pretty beat up to me. And yes, I cut my finger extracting the tank apparatus from inside the stove. It’s about a millimeter too big. I’ll Google for a new leather bit.
     
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    Ordered from Amazon. Probably won’t arrive in time for an upcoming camping trip so the newish propane single burner will have to suffice.

    The combination of estate sales and the internet is truly remarkable.
     
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    If you really want to take the stove, do a search here on CCS about making a pump leather. If you have a piece of leather lying about, such as an old purse, you can cut one yourself. @Mark Amft
     
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    Ha! Okay, I have a buddy who is camping with us. He would be into this. I can probably snag a belt at the thrift shop for 50 cents.
     
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    Oil that leather. It does not look that bad.
     
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    First I'll try it with the replacement I ordered, but I'll try and keep the original.
     
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    If you use that old cup, pull loose pieces off of it or they may come loose and clog the check valve(C/V) which will then allow loss of pressure. You can test the valve function by removing the tank from the case and open valve to test functions. Fuel spray with start lever up, stream with lever down when tank is pressurized.
    Duane