Welcome aboard, raxxter. Internationale was the older name for the International. I presume the change happened at the same time the wire legs were retired.
all, welcome @raxxster, Thank you for sharing, that is a wonderful contribution to this thread and it is appreciated. My last comment (example w/bar code) and now your '89 25th anniversary are both good to see here. Recap re black on silver 22 oz. examples above, the sequence looks to be earliest type, '89 anniversary edition, _______ there is a version pre-bar code (we can guess also came in black on silver?), and example w/bar code. These examples update the info i posted initially (i wish i knew then what we know now). I almost hesitate to say the black on silver only came in 22 oz. size but, for that part, that is still the impression I get. thx again ------------- @8R Pete , Above, 2 weeks ago, you said "I have not seen any MSR stoves or bottles sold on E bay in a while that are rare to find." I too think that was more true that day. Oddly enough plenty have just recently sold (kinda all of a sudden) at reasonable *prices as you've been keeping an eye out for them, you had plenty to snatch up in this meanwhile. There was one i missed out on but no biggy. *others not real rare examples are priced quite high, some of those sell too.
bump. credit @mojo My thanks to mojo for my something new learned today. From his collection, his bottle on the right (blue on red) is the only one like it that I've ever seen. It does fit-right-in among the earliest versions in my OP. source 2850 views
Does anybody here know the weight of this 11 oz bottle with the shown design? Apparently they have been the most lightweight bottle versions that MSR has ever made. Could somebody measure the weight of one of these?
Hello Blantka, #1 ya just gotta love the 11oz MSR fuel bottles! Don't let it get out I'm delving in the gram weenie world. My scale may not be the best but the answers are relative and using same scale, so you get your answer. my results do not support above comment. I just weighed my 11oz. the earliest and the newest with expedition filler cap (same as you show). I get exact same weight for both: 90 grams. This should mean w/expedition cap (not child proof) all the 11oz MSR fuel bottles are same weight. The collar has been altered slightly on MSR fuel bottles (for duraseal iirc) i'm not 100% certain that includes to 11oz. or which ones when that applies to. ------------------- for kicks i weighed the 22 oz, the earliest and the newest with expedition filler cap (same vintage as you show). at 124 grams the earliest version 22 oz is considerably lighter vs 141 grams for newer one. This will hold true. I suggest MSR made the change or was aware of the change (collar?, base?, overall strength? all of the above?), this could align with going with a different out source as well. As for 30 oz I'm not in position to do comparisons mine are in-use full of coleman fuel. I have no suggestion/prediction what might result with weighing/comparing those. --------------- An aside: 1981 iirc MSR WAS in position they wanted MSR branded bottle better than the vintage SIGG bottles they had relied on. I'm not aware MSR ever actually "made" a fuel bottle themselves in-house? My impression is they did for decades "paint" most of their fuel bottles in house as well as all distribution from HQ.
Thank you very much for your efforts! I am sorry for this misunderstanding - of course it does only make sense to compare the pure bottles with empty weights (without the cap/lid). I am very much sure that the bottle with the design I have posted above is more lightweight than the others. I had this version and it weighs in at 62 gram or so, unfortunately I damaged it recently. Therefore I want to confirm that this specific design is seriously lighter than the others, so I can watch out for it. :-)
we are considering the 11oz bottles, correct? we do strive to be accurate, i absolutely welcome corrections, should anyone want to literally weigh-in on this. meanwhile for 11oz respectfully, we agree to disagree. i stand by my findings. I find, the [11 oz] bottle with the design I have posted above ... is same weight as all other MSR 11 oz bottles. weighed empty w/filler cap: 90 grams by my cheapo scale.
Yeah of course. :-) Not mandatorily, maybe you are right. :-) Could you show a picture of the bottle version that you have measured? Was it indeed this design of my posting no. #25? Maybe I mixed them up and it was the bottle with the few lines of diagonal lettering that weighed in at 61 grams. I could be wrong, so maybe someone can bring clarity about this. :-)
I don't have an 11oz. But I have a new-this-year 350ml Primus bottle. It feels really solid. It weighs 89g without lid. My MSR expedition lid weighs 12g. So presumably OMC's 11oz MSR weighs 78g without lid. Looking at the weights of my various branded bottles, this looks likely to be about right. The lightest bottle I have is a silver SIGG. You know, the ones the X-GK and its older siblings were made to suit. It's 98g for a 600ml size. Scaled down I could see it coming in near 62g in the smaller size.
Translation of the above: hello. I weighed the bottle. It's an 11 oz bottle. I removed the cap. bottle weight only. The 25th anniversary bottle was the lightest. There are two types of 25th anniversary bottles. The bottom design is different.
re we do strive to be accurate, i absolutely welcome corrections, should anyone want to literally weigh-in on this. the above is good to know, quite surprising and much appreciated. thanks Blantka, who can see his version *can indeed be lightest. Good. thanks scrambler and mojo. We should remain mindful of mojo's revelation for all MSR bottles. "There are two types [*two different types, two different weights] of 25th anniversary bottles. The bottom design is different." Stating the obvious: we now see the same versions of MSR bottle might not be exactly the same, the same paint scheme, yes. Now, revisiting ten of my 11oz (not just 2: earliest and newest) I agree w/mojo finding. I was wrong, my: the [11 oz] bottle with the design I have posted above ... is same weight as all other MSR 11 oz bottles. ... is not true. As a rule any gram comparisons I will avoid but, for this, curiosity got the best of me. I weighed ten of my 11oz bottles (no cap). My cheap scale may differ from mojo but i get same revelation, credit mojo, *many different types, many different weights . His pic, his weight range i see weights in 66 -to- 78, the same bottle, 12 gram difference! My weight range was even bigger . Of the 10 were pairs with different weights! Such differences/changes may be along lines of my comment: I suggest MSR made the change or was aware of the change (collar?, base?, overall strength? all of the above?), this could align with going with a different out source as well. Given mojo's revelation, i can not say i understand these differences entirely. 1-2 grams either way doesn't interest me. 10+ gram differences / production run chnages do interest me. thanks all
Thank you to everyone looking here. Same design but different weight. I think there are multiple manufacturing plants and errors are born. Therefore, the silhouette of the bottle is also different. It's also my pleasure to look for the difference.
mojo, Same design but different weight agreed and for your efforts, for all of the above: well done. thanks worry not of translation challenge, i suggest (to all) post your findings whichever way is effective for you. This is a surprising revelation initiated by Blankta with image from the thread and your follow up doing the work and reporting findings from your collection was the key to this revelation, thanks again. ------------------------- Hazet nothing new to report for "CLIFF" but fyi MSR fuel bottles are getting curiouser and curiouser, much to my surprise. Scroll up (ie up to 12 gram weight difference for "same" bottle) and ------------------- fyi all, re bottles "...do not have any stampings... " on the bottom, we'll want to take a peak inside as well. I stumbled on this yesterday. I have no guess what it might indicate, it is an 11 oz btw. I can't recall this inside detail brought to light before. There you have it. thx all carry on. 3900 views
This is awesome, thank you so much for your efforts! Also thanks to you! :-) Haha, great! So I think I should have a look for the 25th anniversary bottles then. Did we find any hint/code that leads to the information if it is the lightweight or the heavier version?
asking me: Did we find any hint/code that leads to the information if it is the lightweight or the heavier version? challenge i see, the bottles can have same paint scheme / "look" the same w/different weights. and me, sorry: As a rule any gram comparisons I will avoid... which leaves yours an open question so far. carry on.
I have one too It is a flat bottom type. However, it is stamped only as "cliff". The 20th anniversary bottle and some 90's bottles are also stamped but not cliff.
Thank you! Did you measure the weight of this bottle type as well? On your upper image all weight notes of those bottles are hidden. :-)
