Thank you @Knee ------------ @igh371 , @Nicola Francesco Elia , Forgive me for asking (and in omc-English) but we three have weighed-in re 190x - 1920s. An ASIDE (vs above). Above Svea 1 & 5 discussion is, at the moment my, "by 1934-on -to- into 1950s ...or thru 1950s ?, or into early 1960s ? (corrections encouraged). " "by 1934" began sunken filler, an obvious change to 1 & 5 (if that holds). The above discussion I don't expect to include 1920s. I tap you two to: > agree (or not) earliest date for sunken filler on 1 & 5 is 1934 catalog ? (not indicated sooner)? > your impression for last use of Sievert sunburst logo, approx. year? (btw tanks w/both sunburst and king of stoves seem to be noteworthy, timeline-wise?). Correct me if I'm wrong but this brochure, w/ "some" bits that align w/1924, 1930's Svea Brochure (if it is 1930s) is early 1930s (1930, 31, 32, 33). The site has positioned it early 1930's if reader uses site display options. Sievert sunburst logo is on front page and within that brochure. An answer may already be on site, do you think the use of sunburst logo ended by early 1930s? (or late 20s?) by 1934 Svea Catalogue No:933 ... might the sunburst logo already have ended? It does appear but ONLY once on pg 11 as part of footer/border. -OR- Re models I'm more familiar with, 105/106, 1 & 5, do you think the starburst logo had ended for those by 1934 ? (earlier?) By the way, any reply is welcome, i set no expectation for definitive answer(s), but one can hope : ) . Answers, from: I don't know, to: best effort at specifics, and anything in-between is a-ok, all good. thanks
@OMC This Svea 16 includes most of the key factors that let us date it around 1932-1934: Round air release screw Still external valve on models 15/16 Still use of starburst logo This label dated 1932 no 5* shares the air release screw so it fits the period: https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/svea-5.48956/ So I would date the original post Svea no 1 as post 34, same features as on this 1936/7 circa No 5. Looking at trivet I would date these earlier than later, so maybe up to 1950s. My Splendor 16 tells us that starburst logo was still in use into the early-mid 1930. Sunken filler should be as well early 1930. Nicola
Hi Mark, The key feature I've been looking at on @Knee's stove, and @Jukka Pekka's No.1 which began this thread, is the 'King of Stove' logo and shield on the tank top. This new logo came in significantly later than the sunken filler cap as demonstrated by the several illustrations posted which show the sunken filler cap on stoves still featuring the older Sievert 'star-burst' insignia. As far as I can recall at the moment, the earliest positively datable use of the 'King of Stoves' slogan logo that we have at the moment is in a Meyer catalogue dated 1937. In that Meyer catalogue it is visible on the inside of the lid of the Sports 106 box.
edit: responded to Nicola aah THANK YOU [ Nicola ] (and that was quick) starbursts on tanks w/sunken filler. interesting. re my: > agree (or not) earliest date for sunken filler on 1 & 5 is 1934 catalog ? (not indicated sooner)? you do NOT agree. It seems to you (and i get impression from your starburst examples) sunken filler was earlier than 1934. Myself I do not yet know, "I think" (a guess), i lean to the scenario: sunken filler was pre-34 (vs starburst 1934-on). It need not be either / or but I go forward aware examples of c 1934 or pre-1934 sunken filler. ------------------------ Your Svea No.5 ✮ in '32 box could be by 1934-on as you say "it fits".
I've tapped a brain-trust, to both, thank you, thank you, thank you very much. THANK YOU Ian, the earliest positively datable use of the 'King of Stoves' slogan logo that we have at the moment is in a Meyer catalogue dated 1937. In that Meyer catalogue it is visible on the inside of the lid of the Sports 106 box. Nicola's Svea No.5 ✮ in '32 box has King of Stoves, indicative of c 1932/33 and *later [*mid 1930s (33-36), late 30s? (36-39)] . "Indicative of" but, not yet reliably dated to early/mid 30s. -------------------- back to 105/106 valid, true, appreciated. NOTE: it is discus. Discus re late 1920s to early 1960s, the discus tank details do not develop in-step w/ No.s 1, 5 etc (non-discus). -------------------- so 3 non-discus details in question: last use of sunburst, earliest use of "king of stoves" earliest sunken filler (again, non-discus. it seems discus sunken filler is much later) sunken filler do we three lean to pre-34 (do we confirm pre-34?).
1932 label or 1934 catalog are the only date references we have for that rounded air release key. Maybe sunken filler and that air release key were introduced a little earlier. These features seems to be present on both the starburst and the later shield logos tanks. So we are close to the correct dates… Early-mid 30: sunken filler, starburst logo… post 1934 circa shield logo and return to most traditional air release key. Nicola
@igh371 as linked here https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/svea-5.48956/ we have a shield logo on a stove with a box dated 1932 circa… This no 5 with box dated 1936/7 as well has the new shield logo: https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/svea-5.48957/ Probably the box date is not a super safe reference, graphics can be made before the stoves… so I would date the logo update in the middle of 1932-1937 timeframe. Nicola
credit Tony. "Do the numbers on the *tags tell us anything?" [I'd say YES. every stove gets, numbered, *guarantee label. to-date, the numbering scheme might not be consistent and is elusive ] "Ben’s: Å 597373" [it is "SVEA 5" is early 1960s ] "Tony’s: Å 525889" [it is "SVEA 1" ] ----- @Nicola Francesco Elia , a side note your Svea 5 is a "SVEA No. 5" (vs "SVEA 5"), dates to 1937 or later and tag # is ______________ ? cc @Tony Press ============================== ...sunken filler do we three lean to pre-34 (do we confirm pre-34?)? ============================== Nicola, aahh, i see (i'm a lil slow at times) excellent point with round vent screw re: "1932 label or 1934 catalog are the only date references we have for that rounded air release key." in catalog section, as mentioned, if you USE display option (alphabetical-ascending-set) this brochure: 1930's Svea Brochure is early 1930s . It too shows rounded air release. i'll have to follow up next chance i can, hobby time is limited. thanks
@Nicola Francesco Elia , what is # on your tag? from just above: your Svea 5 is a "SVEA No. 5" (vs "SVEA 5"), dates to 1937 or later and tag # is ______________ ? --------------------------- the rest of that comment again with one *added tag example: credit Tony. "Do the numbers on the *tags tell us anything?" [I'd say YES. every stove gets, numbered, *guarantee label. to-date, the numbering scheme to-date may or may not be consistent. It's an elusive finer detail ] "Ben’s: Å 597373" [it is "SVEA 5" is early 1960s ] link "Tony’s: Å 525889" [it is "SVEA 1" ] link *Dutchmike's : 571299 Svea 123 (looks like 571299) link -----
@igh371 @Nicola Francesco Elia , i'm short on time today but want to cross reference into this discussion @Michael N ' Svea Nr1 I found in the attic we may want/need more detail but his has combo of (early) bubble font, "PATENT" top (and bottom?), older Sievert 'star-burst' insignia, mickey mouse ears filler cap, [ i presume original 4 tube seva roarer ] i probably missed somethings but it seems stoves with ***(early) bubble font have a wide year range, i wonder if Michael's example might land into a more narrow year range ? *** Sorry if this is a rehash (sorry if a twin like his is posted with a year range already explained).
@OMC My opinion only, as always, especially considering how difficult is to date Svea stoves with precision. First of all, we need to observe that the above example is a 1 Star with internal NRV, a model introduced around 1924 if we take as reference the Italian catalog. The stamped metal trivet is coherent with the period… so this is a model, with all the old font and style, that probably lasted untill the late 1920s… My idea for this example is a 5 years range (1924-1929). Nicola
thank you @Nicola Francesco Elia @Michael N Michael, It can be difficult to manage detailed pics... but can you share with us if "PATENT" is included in text stamped into bottom? (is there text stamped into bottom?) all, i am glad i made this drift/mistake in our chatty stove forum (vs gallery ref. post). I DID miss that this is a SVEA star model. Thank you Nicola... Svea-man extraordinaire! indeed "this is a rehash (sorry if a twin like his is posted with a year range already explained)." the twin: Svea No 1* <-- which for me no longer has 5 pointed star in title . questioned here re that one (this one: a rehash) ...so the thinking was that these twins are not late 20s (not? 28/29) and maybe closer to 1924-26? Michael's and Stan's SVEA No 1 [Star] models, 2 pint, have the star model as introduced in 1924 catalog early bubble font (scroll up for detail) internal nrv Sievert 'star-burst' logo "PATENT" top (and bottom?), mickey mouse ears filler cap, [ i presume original 4 tube svea roarer ] ... gotta run
I don't know quite where I'm looking. But in the center bottom of my svea nr1* is this stamp. I couldn't find anything else on the bottom unless it's hiding under all that unpolished oxide. Hope that helps. -Michael
that is it, one location center/bottom, you got it, well done. "PATENT" is not included in the text on the bottom. thank you 2675 views
@OMC 1924 is the first reference for the models 0* 1* 4* 5*. For sure we can’t exclude that the star models appeared a little before 1924. The 1924 Italian catalog says “the new models with star”, so if the catalog is coherent the star models should not be much older than 1924, maybe introduced in 1922 to still be considered the “new Svea models”? The star * models replace the cheap pattern stoves available up to the 1915 catalog: To note: the Svea 1 * model is under any aspect the equivalent of Primus 1 and all the other major makers 1 models. So same brass quality and weight of Svea 1, but with internal pump valve and cross roarer burner. The cheap pattern Svea models were made also from a thinner brass sheet. So with the introduction of the star models we assist to a simplification of the Svea catalog to match the competitors offer. Since the beginning of Svea, the Svea 0,1,4,5, for the quality they had and for the special burners they used, have been on a different price range if compared to competitors… in fact the Svea 11 was basically the competitor of the 1 models with the cross roarer burner… but still more expensive because the external NRV. So Svea introduces 1* to have a model to compete on the same price range of competitors and as well to use the emblematic model number 1. The model 11 in this case survives, but as a more special variant (with external NRV) and not as in the past as a cheaper variant of the too expensive model 1 with 801 burner and external NRV. Now, when the bubble font tank graphic was updated to the new font style? For sure middle to late 1920s… We are still waiting for a catalog between 1925-1930, on which we should find the models 25/26 that then evolved into the more known 35/36 with internal pump valve. For sure the models 25 and 26 have the new font style. So going back on the 1* with old tank style, we could also move a little earlier the possible time frame to 1922-1927… but as always only hypothesis.
bump Thank you Stanislaw for your Svea No 5 nickel plated you just posted. Suggestion was "One can suppose that the stove was produced mid 50s - early 60s." I join Blackdog revisiting the approx year ^^^of this. Here/now is re STAR models with bakelight pump knob etc. Worth a 2nd look. Conside that one ^^^ AND quickly/initially i see next 2 comparables Svea No.1*- 1930s? in 2015 Ian's title questions "1930s?" Svea No.5*, mid-1930s (unfired. by May 2024 1930s not "?" questioned BUT "***definitive catalogue and advertising data is currently lacking". Nicola weighed-in also re earlier years. My inspiration to bump this discussion is that members might arrive at best year range estimate. That ^^^ said, suggestion(s) that include a ***caveat such as Ian's may be a best we can do. carry on, ATB omc FYI @Stanisław Grajewski @Blackdog @igh371 @Nicola Francesco Elia @A A C @Knee
@OMC @Stanisław Grajewski Svea 5* still shows the starburst old logo instead of “the king of stoves” shield that for now it’s estimated to be post 1934/5… The Bakelite knob is not out of dating, so absolutely possible. The SVEA word on cast trivet is the latest style for that type of trivet, so absolutely compatible as well. So my dating is early 1930s Nicola
Just an observation- and stating the obvious- but this being another example of a plated version would give even more weight to @Nicola Francesco Elia's reasoning that these 'star' models were not budget efforts, despite the combined filler cap/air release screw and Bakelite pump knob.
@Blackdog … mainly the internal nrv… the Italian catalog explains that exactly. The star models 0,1,4,5 because the internal NRV, also being of the same quality of the main Svea models, were delivered at a lower price to match the prices of the main competitors. Clearly the star models appeared already in middle 1920s, but the earliest models still had the “bubble font” and the early features. So I still confirm my datation of early 1930s for @Stanisław Grajewski 5* stove. Nicola
