I have a bits 'n' pieces 96 stove here, it's mostly Optimus. The only reserve cap I have is one from a Primus 96 with a ruptured tank. There's nowhere to secure this on the Optimus tank and it doesn't fit on the end of the Optimus pump. I was thinking (which is usually dangerous) that I could remove the mounting thread from the broken Primus and braze it onto the Optimus tank. I could.... If I could braze. Anyone want to teach me everything I'd know?
Hi, the parking bosses are generally soft soldered to the tank. Very easy. Flux and "tin" the position on the tank where you want to fix the boss. Likewise "tin" the contact face of the boss. Place the boss on the prepared surface and heat with a gas torch until the solder melts. Remove the heat source and allow the solder to solidify. Use paste flux and cored electrician's solder. Cover the surrounding area with magic marker ink so that stray solder doesn't stick to the tank. Good Luck, Kerophile
Don't braze. It's way too hot and nothing else on the stove is brazed. Everything on both stoves is soldered. 60/40 electrical solder resin flux india ink to mask solder from unwanted areas - apply with an artists brush Propane or small butane torch damp rag to cover non-soldering areas so they stay cool and don't melt wet paper toweling in pump tube and fuel filler Clean surfaces to be joined to bright metal, flux, heat on, apply solder, remove solder, heat off, done. Some like to pre-tin the mating surfaces. Practice on some scraps first. Good luck.
Hi Gary, No Worries. I am glad we agree! https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/23229 Best Regards, George
Excellent guys, thanks! You've probably guessed I'm a lot less "handy" than most on the site. I want this wee stove to live in one of the sandwich boxes in a vintage picnic basket I acquired rather than being a shelf queen like most of my brassies. But if I can learn something from it, so much the better.
Hi, here are some instructions for a slightly more challenging task, but the method is the same: https://classiccampstoves.com/posts/3909 As Gary says practice on some lid brass first. Best Regards, Kerophile
That could actually be next, I've a crow's foot marked two pinter with loose pump that I'd quite like to make lightable. I've been electrical soldering since I was about nine, and it's still practical rather that pretty. There's a reason I work with tube electronics
I know what tinning is, i.e, applying solder to individual components before soldering. What is pre-tinning?
Same thing. Google "pre-tinning solder" and read through the 389,000 entries where the term is used the same way as "tinning".
If it's the same thing why add a redundant prefix? Just because it is misused on Google doesn't mean it has to be correct. We suffer from a rash of added syllables, presumably started by an ill-informed media-type or bullsh*t merchant in the belief that a longer word makes what one says seem more important. Pre-book, pre-order, pre-prepare… it's impossible to post-book; booking must be done in advance as tinning must be in advance. It's a question of engaging brain before opening mouth.
Seriously?? This sort of thing is really how you want to spend your time?? You don't have something more useful to do? OK. I'll bite. Here in the USA, it's been referred to as "pre-tinning" when referenced to wires for electrical work since I soldered up my Dynaco pre-amp in about 1975. As in, "pre-tin the wires before inserting them into the circuit board". When teaching people how to solder in either electronics work or metal work the prefix "pre-" helps to indicate that the tinning is done before the parts are assembled. I've found it helps newbies to get it straight when the tinning operation should be done. You can call it whatever you like. It'd be more interesting to me to see some actual examples of your soldering work for stove repair to establish your credentials in the matter before you criticize my choice of well-established terms in a public forum. Plenty of examples of my work can be found here at CCS already. Yeah, well, I'm eating lunch here at the moment. I reckon the pubs just closed where you are, so whose brain is or is not engaged?
Just back from the pub 01.00 h. If you want to see examples of my work visit www.zinccounters.co.uk. I'll admit it, I have a bee in my bonnet about use, misuse and ill-informed corruption of language. I can recommend a little book "How not to talk like an arse" by Richard Wilson Link If you PM your address I'll send you a copy with pleasure. BTW I bought a couple of your beautiful silent caps some years ago.
So much consternation over a little "pre" I think who cares and am about to have pre-dinner drinks. Ive always known the process as tinning but the pre in front was pretty obvious what it meant. Of course the other way might confuse but shouldnt. If you want a good joint you always tin it first.
I thought stuff became tinned when it was soldered but if you pre-tinned the components it made the soldering easier. For someone who didn't score highly at school & struggles with the terms used in grammar. I know what a noun & adjective is but get beyond that & my ears bleed. My dad is a linguist & multilingual & loves the grammar & knows the sub-bollocks of this & that & drives me bonkers when he goes on about it if he picks me or anyone up on it. If he wasn't my Pa I would resort to some old English reply with definitive & totally unambiguous meaning. Language is always being corrupted. It's part of it's evolution. I'm sure I've heard scholars refer to a word as being 'corruption' of something earlier or foreign.
I suppose I'm as bad as your Dad then! I'm forever correcting my son's usage and he used to resent it but I think he now just shuts off. Language evolves continually but when it evolves backwards I wonder if it's a benefit. With modern media a misnomer can be in instant use around the world before it can be corrected and suddenly a meaning or subtlety has been lost forever. Language is the greatest achievement of homo sapiens and to see it turned into a form of "newspeak" gives me pain. I hope I didn't offend Bernie, that was not my intention.
Me three... I'll leave it there otherwise I'll need to lie down in a darkened room for the rest of the afternoon.
was my reaction when BD threw down the gauntlet re Zincman's work - I'd gleaned enough from his contributions here on CCS to know he's made his living from tinsmithing/metalworking of the finest quality - and there's his Pembleton as the motoring embodiment of his skills. Whatever. 'Tinning' without the 'pre' is the concept I've grown up as the coating of a metal component with tin/solder, sometimes to be joined to another component, sometimes to protect a ferrous metal from rust (stove pot legs), but what the heck. John
I do think if something is 'wrong' then those that know have a responsibility to 'inform' those of us that do not know. That, no matter how long it has been in use. Someone doing something wrong for many years doesn't make it right. But, the point is not so much to be 'correct' as to 'convey a thought'. The written word has enough limitations without the problem of culture, as well as translation here on this forum. We do love pictures here. I learn much better visually than by words, even face to face. There is a state here in the USA .. the Show Me State .. Missouri. Maybe I should have lived there, I know my recent ancestors left Kentucky to go there, then to the land of fruits and nuts, Kalifornia. Well, that's my 3 1/2 cents worth. This is my cue to get my hat and coat, if I brought them. Ken in NC
Once again - I did not make up the term "pre-tinnning", it's in common parlance and has been for decades as I demonstrated. I think Zincmans (Duncans) counter work is very nice. Thanks for that link. I didn't see any stoves he may have repaired in there, though. Which is, of course, what I'd asked to see. Does he have any stoves? Are there miraculous or workmanlike repairs he's made to stoves? Did any post past the third in this thread in any way assist the OP? Or, is this whole silliness about "pre-" just another silly British poke (aka "cheap shot" in American-speak) at ol' BernieDawg (the American) when he's legitimately and on topic trying to help a guy on his stove repair? I thought helping others with stoves was the purpose of this site. Could the precision English language grammarians being out in force act to discourage the participation of non-English speakers? I'll pass on the "little book "How not to talk like an arse" by Richard Wilson". Those who read it don't seem to benefit much from the reading. Perhaps it should be required classroom reading in the UK.
