I got my 22 (standard kero roarers) from a fellow CCCS member in NZ. Like Doc said, the postage was considerately more than he charged me for the stove! (Thanks again, Tom!!!)
Hi, Simon, Interestingly enough, in the years that I as seeking a good 111, almost all of the ones that I saw offered for sale were down in Australia, or New Zealand. I can't recall who told me this, and it may have been Handi Albert, but I was told that Optimus sent a ton of 22's down there, because they burned kerosene, and that was about all the fuel that was to be had during those times. For whatever reason, I've seen far more for sale Down Under, than I've ever seen in the US, or most any other place. Keep looking, and get out and check flea markets, boot sales, and yard sales. I'm betting you will find your 22, just as I did!! Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Morning, Gents, Hummm.... If you're not seeing 22's, and even some 22B's, then things have changed a good deal, from only a few years ago. When I was seeking mine out, I saw many of these stoves being offered in AU and NZ. Some were in absolutely deplorable condition, but even those may have been worth buying, and refurbishing back to life. In any case, AU/NZ offerings of 22/22B stoves was huge compared to what I saw anyplace else in the world. Truth! If you Gents are not seeing any of them, then either things have changed, or, you don't spend enough time out looking for them! 8) When engaged in serious stove hunting, I used to concentrate on little else, and every spare minute was spent seeking out places to look for stoves. THAT is how I got so many of them over the years, and the nice Phoebus #725 that I found, week before last, just shows me that good stoves are still out there, though maybe not as frequently as they used to be, IF you wear out some shoe leather looking for them!! Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
So I'll keep an eye out for a 111T and maybe I get lucky and find a 22B as well... Then I'll take all three (22B+111T+8R) with me and make a nice picture... Thank you all for your help! Peter (Frankfurt/Germany)
Good Morning, Peter, Outstanding decision, Sir!! I love the idea of a 111T, 22B, and 8R, as a family of stoves!! Well done, and best of luck to you in your hunt!! Remember one thing: "the more you look, the more you will find"!!! I developed that credo over 30 years ago, and it still serves me very well, to this day!! 8) Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Hey, Peter, From what I understand, the parents are having a "hot time" out in the woods, and will be home, soon, out of fuel, and a bit worn!! You "may" have to go looking for them, in fact, as I now believe that they are lost, after all their woods exploits, and need you to come and find them, then bring them home to their beloved twins!! Have fun, "looking for the parents", and good success!! God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Last summer I finally managed to find a nice 111T but the results were a bit disappointing. On kerosene it was only one minute faster (1Liter in 7'45") than my 8R (8'45" - on petrol, of course). My hope were a little higher... I have not yet tried it with petrol because I'm lacking the additional parts (and I'm a little frightened, too )
@Litch, Boil times are subjective and something simple like the pot/pan type can make a huge difference. Personally I am more concerned with fuel consumption with a family event. The 111T on kerosene will be able to cook many meals before you'll have to top it off again. If you are looking for quicker boil times in cold weather I would highly recommend a large folding wind screen, the slightest breeze steals much heat. Use aluminium cookware as apposed to stainless steel. Another suggesting would be a heat exchanger type pot, the extra fins on the bottom add surface area extracting as much heat as possible. Companies like MSR make heat exchangers that wrap around the pot funneling heat up the sides. http://www.optimusstoves.com/us/us/products#/1/filter?categories=804 http://primuscamping.com/collections/cookware/products/eta-pot-1 https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=msr heat exchanger I try to keep things simple. My 111 favorite is a cook set from a British No.12 thanks Bill Hope this helps, Andy
I agree with everything said above. The cook set makes a big difference. With the 111T a windscreen is a must. With the roarer's it's more forgiving out in the open. But a windscreen greatly reduces boil times and fuel consumption.
It's worth saying that a kerosene fueled stove can handle a good amount of reflected heat but this is not the case with all stoves. Canister style (Iso)butane, propane and gasoline/naptha/Coleman fuel stoves can become down right explosive when exposed to increased heat from windscreens. https://www.google.com/webhp?source...=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=stove+folding+windscreen For your purpose I would go with a screen 6" ~ (150mm) or larger depending on your pot size
@Litch I now use my (kerosene) 111s with a very good and cheap "10 panel" windscreen bought from China on the bay of evil. The photos in the link below show the general idea, but get the 10 panel version as they are more versatile, being somewhat larger. https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/on-the-road-with-a-111-pt-1.27932/ Tony
Thank you very much for your help - it is very much appreciated. When I did my comparison test I ran both stoves with the same pot, water from the same water pipe (temperature) and there was zero wind in front of my garage. I had simply expected more power from the 111T. @Tony: My windscreen looks "exactly" like yours No doubt it is an important item - not only for the 111 but for the 8R or the 123 as well.
I would say that the output of the 111T is around the 8-10,000BTU range at full blast..to me that's pretty powerful.
@Litch Sounds to me that your 111T does not get enough fuel to the burner Can you upload a flameshot?
I'll try to take a flame shot at the weekend. The seller claimed to have it serviced so I'm a little unsure wether to touch it or not. Thanks you, Peter
If the cleaning needle is set to high it won't go full throttle. That's an easy fix. burner cut-away https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/regulated-burner-cutaway.15697/ 1) Remove silent burner cap 2) Use the control knob/multi tool to remove the jet 3) Lower a pencil, eraser end 1st down onto the cleaning needle 4) Open the burner control valve until the cleaning needle comes free. Lift it out of the way and close the valve. 5) Place the cleaning needle back into position and slowly open the burner valve. The cleaning needle will raise then "click" back down as the teeth pass. 4-5 clicks works well(try 4 )and may vary with each stove. 6) Close the burner valve and apply tank pressure. Make sure that the valve is blocking fuel flow. 7) Replace jet and burner cap and test stove. Having the cleaning needle rack too high will either prevent the valve from opening fully or restrict the jet as the cleaning needle raises. Having the cleaning needle too low will prevent the burner valve from shutting off. Hope this helps, Andy
