DAC wears the hero hat!!!! The observant Tony beat me too it for images . This is multiple revelations in one, a very exciting development. The '53 document offers even more, wow. It's a banner day for Sievert Svea 123 and SIGG Tourist research. We see DAC's stove is a match to earliest examples we're aware of in a box w/'51 label on the box (no instructions? btw). i'll try to keep up woohoo omc
Can we assume a date by advertisement? We have not in the past used only an advertisement as a definition of a date. It is thought provoking. It would be nice to have another piece of the puzzle to verify.
I would have been happier if the listing specifically said "123" and if it was a photo of a stove with a windscreen; not a line drawing. But seems clear to me that Svea was exporting to the U.S. west coast in the summer of 1952, and that line drawing sure looks like a 123U.
A few posts ago @olive said: “So if it's certain the valve spindle always point to the right of the earliest Sievert/Sveas would that mean maybe the tank is not the original one on my 1955 unit being that the spindle points to the "1"? The threads on the tank and vaporizer look perfectly fine and not over torqued. Is there a good way to determine the difference in the earliest tanks from later ?”. Darren’s photos above show the spindle to the right of the filler cap. My question is: Is @olive’s stove the one in @DAC’s photos? Or another? Or has it been fettled and the spindle set to “1”? Cheers Tony
See my post about fettling the stove. Fettling an early Sievert Svea 123 When I handed the stove off last Monday it was as the photos above - for the reasons I gave in the post. - Darrel
@DAC I remember that thread now. And I note that I didn’t answer the question you asked me. This is the Svea 123 that is my avatar: SVEA 123 Cheers Tony
Some young guy was getting rid of his worldly possessions and I traded my Gransfors Bruks(Swedish) hunter's axe for his Sievert stove. He received the stove from his dad and didn't feel comfortable using it. Both items were around $200 in value, so we swapped. We had a discussion about the best stove to use for living off grid for a year as he intends to do. I told him to just have camp fires as they require no maintenance or petroleum fuel to resupply. A good axe and mora knife with fire starter should suffice for his adventure.
olive, Much has transpired here in your thread. So much, I don't know where to begin but I do know... I thank you and myself, I can leave it at that for now. You have an early Sievert Svea 123 and I appreciate hearing it's provenance. My thanks again to Darrel for sure . I agree with you, you have clearly shown us: "... Svea 123 stoves available in the U.S. in 1952" . I worry not that Svea 123 is not spelled out. It is matched to the "SIGG Tourist", which makes it the Svea 123 (from everything we know). thx again omc PS as mentioned you have shared multiple revelations in the documents above, we've touched on just one, so far. @DAC 525 views
It is a coincidence that I sold my old 123 about the same time olive did his trade. So there's another oldie in Oregon. I just posted a set of photos of the stove I had, with notes in the Gallery. Early Sievert 123 It would be nice one day to see photos of olive's stove. - Darrel
OLD THREAD @anfeng , You recently asked elsewhere on the site: Will begin production date of svea 123 ".. be advanced to 1951?" 1951? At this point I feel we can say with confidence: 1952 or earlier . I am of the opinion it is 1951 or earlier (or by 1951) and explain that below. Above, credit Darrel for showing us "... Svea 123 stoves available in the U.S. in 1952". I want to note--> " Dutchmike shared his NOS Svea 123 **with all the characteristics of the earliest known version..." source Jun 2017. Working back in time, from 1952: We see examples, exact match to Dutchmike's, but with 1952 instructions. I would say it's a certainty: Svea 123s that originally shipped with 1951 instructions pre-date those that shipped with 1952 instructions (the 1952 instructions were printed in 1952 ("possibly" late 52 but "52" print began in 52). BTW the 1952 stove examples are [still] a match to Dutchmike's earliest version. There are 2 things to consider: #1. We see there are 1951 & 1952 instructions... it stands to reason, the 1951 instructions were printed in 1951 (and maybe reprinted in early 52). IMO Svea 123s with 1951 instructions would have to be mid-1952 or earlier. Above in this thread Darrel provides a second confirmation: early Svea 123s were available in 1952 (aligns with 1952 or earlier). #2. I just will not look past this: Dutchmike's Svea 123 was a sealed box NOS, it did not have instructions. I feel it is quite possible his was among the 1st Svea 123s that were sold and they did not come with instructions. IF SO (and we see there are 1951 instructions) that would back date early Svea 123s to 1951 or earlier. On the same subject... Campus 3 was predecessor to Svea 123... >>> did the last version of Campus 3 have instructions? <<< anyone? (I've not yet seen Campus 3 instructions.) IF Campus 3 did not have instructions, that may be a second indicator that, initially, early Svea 123s may not have come with instructions. IF SO that also would align with 1951 or earlier. ------------ On subject of 1951 in-general but viewing as potentially Svea 123 begin production year: WW2 " … disrupted things and then some time post war the Svea 123 production began. … in 1951 the last of Sweden's rations ended . … [by 1951 ] the production of more stove models had begun." --------------- One day, I expect fellow stovies will confirm from multiple sources the last year of the Campus 3 and the 1st year of the Svea 123. **The different boxes that the early (1950s) Svea 123s came in may also hold clues yet to be revealed. thx omc
I think the mid 50's date was also down to a dated advert or info from a US outfitter or distributer mentioning the 'new' Svea 123. I think at the time I may have cautioned (or at least thought) it might only be 'new' to the USA especially as the box images were very US-centric. It's interesting that the Ski-Hut pages use the word 'imported' specifically for the 123 stove but not for the Sigg, Primus or Bulldog product - like they may be bringing it in as a special, outside of any official distributor . Great work guys!
Hi , interesting topic. Another factor we must be reminded of is that the UK was effectively Bankrupt at the end of WW2 and operated severe Import controls until the early 1950s. This included Swedish stoves, so the UK was effectively “out of the game” for Swedish stoves for use in the UK until 1952 or later:
OLD THREAD OP: earliest Sievert Svea 123 Jun 2017 "... tentatively I'm at production began "52 or earlier" and actually upon review then, I was sure of it. With more details sorted I am onboard with "... that would back date early Svea 123s to 1951 or earlier." Related topics: end Campus 3 & WW2 rationing impact on production. ----------------------------------------- Our thanks again to DAC for finding & sharing (above) pages of the Ski Hut of Berkeley, CA. catalogs: Summer of 1952 and Summer of 1953. Text from the 1952 ad: SIGG TOURIST: Light Camp Cooker with gasoline stove. Includes 1 casserole for 2 qts., 1 casserole for 1 1/2 qts., 1 lid-pan, 2 windshields, 1 pot-holder, 1 "SVEA" gasoline stove, 1 aluminum container for stove, 1 funnel for stove, 1 strap. When assembled to carry measures 8 1/4" dia. x 4 3/4" high. Wt. 2 1/2 lbs. SVEA GASOLINE STOVE: Imported lightweight stove that is self-generating. No pumping required. Burns on white gasoline. Comes in compact aluminum two-piece container which may be useful as pots, cups, etc.. Wt. 1 lb 3 ozs. The 1953 ad offers the exact same complete kit (ad slightly updated). btw also offered to compliment kit: a 1 pint fuel bottle, looks like early SIGG -------------------------------------------------- The stove depicted/offered by 52 has to be a match to the earliest Svea 123 versions archived on CCS. It has been suggested this was a 123U (minus windscreen etc). Respectfully from reliable source: I suggest, more likely than not, inside the two-piece container could also be a complete stove (early example credit DAC). -and- One such kit "on the shelf" by June of '52, it's complete stove (w/ '51 instructions, yep) fits inside the 2-piece SIGG container <-- that container nests inside the SIGG TOURIST, makes for one awesome kit! Kudos to Svea / SIGG for coming up with a winning combination c1951/52!! A popular kit marketed 1952 - 70s (70s example, but older is better). Such kits are now sought-after to use today. PS Credit to @alanwenker !!! Yes, ladies & gentlemen for it was alan, the keeper of old backpacking catalogs/mags, who archived those 2 rare catalogs on outinunder.com (OutInUnder - Slow Social Media). Small world. views 1250
Hope for a mulifuel Svea 123 started early -- from page three of the Ski Hut catalog. See penultimate sentence.
Good Morning, @DAC , @Tony Press , and All, My own V1 SVEA 123 has a spindle that also points to the right of the filler cap. And, mine has the chain attached as @snwcmpr , has pointed out, too. Here are a few shots of it: Sorry for the small photo, as this one was cropped from the ebay auction in which I won my little SVEA, quite a few years ago. Rather than dig out my stove, I took the easy way out, and just cropped this next photo. Humble apologies! The information from the Ski Hut catalogs is very interesting, indeed!! Food for thought, for sure!! Thanks for sharing it, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
@Tony Press , Hey, Tony, I had forgotten that your Avatar was this same V1 of the venerable 123!! And, yes, our twin stoves do look like they line up exactly the same!! Super cool, Mate!!! Thanks for pointing that out, and having checked the link, I see that you and I have discussed similar things about these stoves before!! The old brain is not what it used to be......! Good on ya, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Mark
BUMP *Corrections & **comment: *Re above, my "It has been suggested this was a 123U (minus windscreen etc). Respectfully from reliable source: I suggest, more likely than not, inside the two-piece container could also be a complete stove" Simple answer: I was wrong, period. The stove with/inside this kit could be considered 123U. -------------- *"...complete stove fits inside the 2-piece SIGG container" Again, simply: that too was wrong. Sorry. Not sure how I got that so wrong a year ago. I had kit but surely not actually in-hand as I typed that . A deeper dive: Complete stove drops into the sm container but lid does not go on, besides that (even w/o container) a complete stove will not nest into a SIGG. When "new" c. 1952, did the kit come with a complete stove.... maybe, but I do not know. -------------------------------- ** I've done a reference post of my early kit, a match to kit shown above, link. here she is: ----------------------------------- I DO think strap is original but in my linked post, *re the strap, I added "...the strap resembles the '52 ad. I lean towards that strap being the original" Strike that. The AD / illustration is flawed in several ways and, in hindsight, "the AD" is not an accurate rendering of what was "original".
