@Kool Camp Stoves elsewhere your: " Hopefully one day we can find out the answers to the questions. If you need pictures or closeups of some internal detail, please ask and I will help in anyway I can. " [myself: "I am scratching my head as to what is the difference between the 9 and the 3?"] I started this separate thread as your 9 is worthy of it's own consideration (along with how it measures up with the No.3s). This is in stove forum where any/all comments, Q & A is welcome. If/when we might confirm some answers there may be accurate details to compliment your reference post AGM Kampkook #9 The No.9 on Marsh site is very different than yours, it is *brass case c.1921 w/peg legs, no hinged cover (*although certainly notable). I guess there is no chance no. 9 is an alcohol/marine version? We'll not ignore Marsh example but being sooo different than yours, that 1921 no.9 example is not helping to better define yours. Correction btw, yours is c 1924 which emerges below. Your 9 is only one of it's kind that I've seen. It is also, for now, the only tag w/latest date of 1923. It's a given now your case is not brass. It seems, so far, your 9 matches the 3s so let's take a closer look. I dug mine out and have many No.3 details handy. My c.1922/23 No.3 is out and most closely resembles your 9. the latest date on my 3: April 4, 1922 and the latest date on your 9: Dec. 4, 1923 [the next No.3 tag incl. Dec 9, 1924 ] These dates indicate mine is c 1922/23 and yours c 1924 (because yours is a "9" (not 3) it's possibly later but myself, i do lean towards it being 1924 nonetheless) So far, I think yours is a match to mine (we're missing something). Please compare yours w/these details: curved legs (permanently attached folding legs) cover hinged to case. Cover has wings, wing supports permit adjustment. grate hinged to case, grate is 11 1/2 x 7 1/2" tank: 10 1/2 x 3" threaded tank -to- separate pump connection my pump shaft has looped-end (vs yours has wood knob). burner tops 2 1/2" dia., 9 1/8" apart, cntr to cntr. CASE, closed, i measure 14 7/16 x 8 1/8 x 3 5/8 (you initially measured 4" height) I have looked closely at my burner asm. vs yours, i see no difference. I see no difference between the 2 stoves. PS thanks for input Haggis
@Kool Camp Stoves So you have compared details i presume. We see it turns out your measurements are an exact match to what i shared above 14 7/16 x 8 1/8 x 3 5/8" source So for now you also have no idea why yours got the "No.9" from factory as, so far, from what we see your 9 seems to match No.3s, yes?
thank you @Daryl just a guy that might help splain this, maybe. Some background: my "No.3" pats. ... Reissued April 4, 1922, Canadian Pat No 225354 threaded pump-to-tank connection Kool's "No.9" pats. ... patented Dec 4, 1923, Canadian Pat No 225354 __________ pump-to-tank connection Daryl's "No.3" pats. ... [same] patented Dec 4, 1923, Canadian Pat No 225354 looks like same pump as mine (above) w/ change to connection/connector type Have a laugh on me Camp Chef Daryl and if your intent was give me lil nudge in the right direction (or not) thank you. So (i'm a lil slow), hmmm ... Kool's "No.9" and Daryl's "No.3" share same patent dates (i missed that, doh! , sorry) BOTH c 1924 stoves have same "type" pump-to-tank connection, correct? (so pump connection is not the difference between "No.3" & "No.9") I'm still stumped FWIW, AGM did make a change at this time, as both c.1924s pump connections differs from the threaded connection on my c.1922/23 No.3.
Any chance it's about the accessories/stove kit and not the burner controls etc? This might not be obvious 100 years later. The advertisement recently quoted for an AGM 10 clearly is a package of stove with oven/heater.
CORRECTION, sorry the two nameplates are not a match my confuser was acting up late last night. Nonetheless, above we have 1 ver. just prior to the 9 and Daryl's just after the 9, so the gist of the comments remain. =========================== @Daryl , all, @Scrambler , re "The advertisement recently quoted for an AGM 10 clearly is a package of stove with oven/heater." I missed that, can you point me to it? re call it A. " about the accessories/stove kit ... a package of stove with oven/heater " I did consider/look into that but had not got beyond pure speculation, myself... 'til now. I do expect a confirmed answer will emerge. Trevor RIP had access to early (non-coleman) US suitcase ads & catalogs may have solved this at jump. "A." that gets my vote. I await checking that AGM oven info but they did have such add-ons. In support of "A." [accessory add-on] note the holes atop the wings in BOTH stoves linked above (3 & 9, two of same vintage). Those upper holes are not present on prev. versions. Look what is on the front of a 1928 AGM catalog: that could be a No.9, front open type, an illustration that might illustrate more pieces to this puzzle. That is the only tidbit I currently have. Note the holes atop of their wings support the upper piece. A 1924 patent shows some of those pieces and many more for an enclosed AGM oven. Myself, i'll hit pause on this search, my hope being this is well on it's way to a more definitive answer. I do expect the accessorized "No.9" will be sufficiently solved. My guess: solved sooner vs later. Any/all comments welcome. Carry on.
Sorry, @OMC and all. My memory has played up! I can't now recall what that advertisement was for, but not an AGM. There has been previously reported listing of 1924 stoves from AGM and that does not include a No 9, nor does it suggest the packaging I was flirting with. So I return you to the uncertainty. KampkooK No.3
But on the other hand... https://classiccampstoves.com/attachments/1220941428-agm_kampkook_ad_1927-jpg.109269/ A 1927 advertisement has a No 8 which clearly is numbered as a package with the oven. I note that the 1924 advertisement proudly states that the 7 is "a new number". I also wonder what the other side of the 1924 page shows. Perhaps @Haggis can help?
credit scrambler, i share the image on 1928 cover you share the No.8 which is larger than the no3 & 9 as i say, i pause further search myself, this could-well all make sense as shown, i do expect a definitive answer to emerge soon and that it is along the lines of what we see above but in the smaller No.3 size, which would (likely) be the elusive accessorized "No.9". Any/all comments welcome. Carry on.
@OMC No nudge intended or needed, you have post plenty of information already. I got a laugh reading 'camp chef Daryl" thanks, the happy face picture is for you! Here are some pictures of mine as found two years ago for future reference. Have this No.3 and a No.7 and when I go to use them they always work, thanks AGM. Chilly looking photo is from driveway this AM. Hopefully next week I can do some more camp cooking. Daryl chilly SoCal
My BAD posted this on wrong thread yesterday so will make it right today. #9 AGM info. So here are case dimensions Here are what the hinges look like And the burners which measure center to center at 9 1/8" Look at the bottom of case Thanks to all for their inputs and info. ( Some days it feels like this )
that doesn't matter, no worries. What do you think? A current suggestion developing, and myself content with it for good or for now, is: we'll not find any difference between your 9 as posted and a no.3. -and- IF we at some point confirm a 9, complete, resembles the 2 images above will come as no surprise. That a 9 is likely a 3 with accessory(s) included.
This is an old thread but perhaps later I can post some pictures of the AGM #9 with the brass case that I have that's posted on Marsh's website. The pump that came with the stove I suspect was not an AGM but an aftermarket collapsible variety. I've kept the stove as received.
