Patent Record #1

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  1. dave1966

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    Well, I have been away for some time, but in that time, I came across this stove. I noticed that stejar has one very similar to this stove, which I found some interesting notes. In his post, he states that the filler cap is a replacement. I found it odd that a similar stove, from a similar period, half way around the world would have the same "wrong" filler cap. Is there any chance that it isn't wrong after all?

    The stove seems to be in fairly good shape, although it needs a very good cleaning as there is a bunch of gunk in the tank. Im not sure if the pan ring that came with it is original or not, but its kinda pretty all the same. It does not appear to have the jet anymore, but I am not sure at this point. Not sure if this stove will help fill in some blanks around the company that produced it, or leave more unanswered.
     
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  2. Shed-man

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    Very fine early stove, but what I really love is that trivet ring, that is really beautiful. If you find that it is not original to the stove please post a separate picture of it in the Gallery. It is a work of art! Very many thanks - Steve.
     
  3. dave1966

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    I'm not sure it will be possible to determine if the ring is authentic or not...I wonder if stejars stove came with one to compare.....??? So little information on these stoves.
     
  4. nmp

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    Wow great stove and I too love that trivet!
    Nick
     
  5. dave1966

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    Im really curious what people think about the tank lid. 2 stoves from the same era..same company..different parts of the world...yet have the same "wrong" lid. Seems odd to me...


    And yeah...the trivet...one small crack that I will have repaired to keep it together for the next 100 years.
     
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    Here is the fuel cap on my ancient Viking (Italy), and the non-matching air release screw. It would be fun to know where and when and why some old stoves have acquired odd bits. piper
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  7. Doug L

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    I saw a Record# 1 like this on ebay about 3 weeks ago. I can't remember what fuel cap it had though.I do recall it had a home made box.
     
  8. kerophile

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    Hi, Interesting stove and a lovely cast iron pan-holder/trivet.

    I have a 1911 Primus no.100 with a somewhat similar pan-holder, which is illustrated in this thread:

    https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/9286

    These pan-holders are great examples of the iron-casters art, as they required very detailed pattern-making and an intimate knowledge of their chosen material (cast-iron).

    They needed close control of temperature and iron composition to get the fluidity of the molten metal needed to replicate the fine detail in such thin sections.

    Unfortunately they are brittle and can crack either as a result of differential expansion/contraction, or impact damage...Which is why so few have survived unscathed.

    You can still get cast-iron pan-holders for the much larger Primus/Optimus No.2 and 3 stoves, but they are expensive and much less ornate:

    https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/9046

    https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/14494

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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  9. Christer Carlsson

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    The reference to Trässman and Petterson on the pumplid is interesting because there are a couple of patents from the former.
    Only one concerning stoves, though, and it's a patent from 1906 regarding the NRV just as Stejar suggests in his post of the Record stove.
    The patent is about an NRV which you access through the filler hole of the tank as you can see from the patent I just posted here.

    This patent is probably not directly applicable to this stove since the pumptube doesn't end directly under the filler hole of the tank here.
    But it would still be interesting to see what it looks like in there since the Record doesn't have the "regular" NRV inside the tube.

    Dave, can you look inside the tank and tell us how the end of the pump tube look in there?
    We already know the inside from Stejars post.

    Perhaps the real deal we see on the stoves is a further development of this first patent of Trässman? Maybe in cooperation with this Mr. Petterson.
     
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