this is a good reply, but it implies that a product like this is not required by law in america to have safety glass fitted. is this possible? i am sure that in britain the bsi would not allow it to be sold with plain glass. i often whinge about "nanny state britain" but consumer safety and protection is an important issue.
Hi All, Spm, Thanks for your response, but I'm afraid I did not send you a link to this site - maybe somebody else did. I'm sorry we got off to a bad start , but I felt like I was getting the support I needed for such a potentially dangerous situation. Ordinary thin - 2-3mm- window pane glass , rough edges BTW too, not rounded or smoothed over- is just unbelievable in a oven - amazing that one would even think of such a thing . It's a crime if you ask me. Or should be ! You should at least mention this in your ads - let people know so they don't get hurt - imagine if a young child were to be peering into the oven and the glass cracked out like that - my goodness Well enough, my blood pressure can't take any more, I will say again that the oven seems well engineered and is quite an impressive oven over all, but of course the glass is a problem - it's like inferior brakes on a high powered car , eventually it's going to lead to disaster. I'll keep the oven and work out a fix - maybe heat proof glass or just a piece of sheet metal, aluminum, or brass - should be no problem to fix it - just some time and extra money. I think it will be a good oven once fixed although Tom
rough edges - not good, sounds and looks like the crack started at the top edge. tempered glass will break too if they leave the edges rough even tiny chips or nicks in the edge can cause a crack to propagate through the glass heating up or cooling down or any other time.
A good attempt at patching up, but unacceptable in the first place. I seriously can't believe that selling an oven with ordinary glass is allowed. Add $10 on and get suitable glass! ATB.
" I had a bad deal from them, too, with a Sigg Fire-Jet stove. They were not helpful in the least, and I, for one, will not do business with them again." St. Paul Mercantile does not, and never has, sold Sigg Fire-Jet stoves.
The glass you want in the stoves is not tempered glass but Pyrex glass. Pyrex AKA borosilicate glass has a extreemely low coefficent or expansion, and is well know for its heat resistance! Murph
Beginning on Nov 20, 2011, all Butterfly brand ovens now ship with heat tempered glass and two pieces of fiberglass rope that act as gaskets to hold the glass in place. The price of the oven has risen from $55 to $65. Anyone who has an oven purchased prior to Nov 20 can contact me and receive the replacement glass and gaskets at no charge. I do ask the customer to pay the $5 shipping charge. www.stpaulmercantile.com
Correction to my previous post. Anyone who purchased an oven from me prior to Nov 20, 2011, can receive the new glass and rope gaskets at no charge (just pay the $5 Priority Mail shipping fee). Those who purchased the stove from someone else, and this includes the original poster on this thread, can purchase the kit for $10 plus $5 shipping.
Yeah, that's an interesting point, SPM. No one on this thread claimed to have purchased it from you. Just mentioned you as a distributor. Regardless, thanks for more than due diligence on this. I'm sure it took some effort to get them to install heat glass. Mike
For what it's worth. I spoke with SPM and he tried to get the ovens from the factory with heat resistant glass, but they will not accommodate him. He went on a global search for a replacement glass supplier and finally was able to get one at a reasonable price. So he gets the glass in separately on his own. AFAIK SPM would be the only supplier of these ovens that have heat resistant glass. As soon a Christmas is paid off, I'm getting one. Mike
SPM's not making any money on this! I picked up an old stove top oven a few weeks ago, and the glass is broken. Replacement Pyrex is $20 for a 2 3/4 X 6 inch cut plate. The stuff was quoted to me at $100 a square foot!
My initial thought would be to close most of the opening with metal and leave a small strip for a mica window. You could look for a junked oven and cut the glass with a diamond blade to size, but I'm not sure how well that stuff cuts. I've cut plate glass with a wet saw and it worked well. Finished the edges with a diamond stone. Mike
Hi Mike, Yeah, my first thought was a piece of tin, as you can't see much thru the glass anyway. But, this oven is in like new condition, and I got it for $4.95 so... I was under the impression you couldn't cut Pyrex after it's been heat treated, but the glass guy says he can! I did look at Mica too, maybe if the glass doesn't work out.
Butterfly Ovens Now Have Heat-Tempered Glass Every Butterfly oven sold in America since 12/12/2011 has had double-thickness heat-tempered glass. Customers who purchased an oven from St. Paul Mercantile prior to 12/12/2011 can receive a replacement glass at no charge.
I have no sales recorecord unfortunately or I would take you up on your offer of the glass and packing replacement kit. The Butterfly oven was a gift from a friend brand new still in the taped shipping box never opened. He bought it years ago unassembled from SPM. He gave it to me recently and I assembled it today. I'm glad I read the glass warning from other folks here.
My review on a Butterfly stove. I will say that if you do not have the time to tinker, have no tools for bumping or bending or straightening tin, have no gloves, no de burring tools, don't want to wash something prior to assembly, and want something that fits up nicely this is absolutely not the oven for you. To begin with I had to use my sheet metal de burring tool on the edges because they are dangerously sharp. Had to wash all of the oil, gunk off of every piece of thin flimsy tin that was all filthy in the box. Will give credit to it all nicely packed. Had to use paint thinner to get fingerprints in black paint off of the heat shields. So after a thorough wipe down with Alcohol I assembled it. Nothing fits so you have to bend, take out dents, blemishes, trim spots, measure, and slowly get it together. If someone sheer, cut, and formed sheet metal like that at any reputable shop you would be fired. The paint no runs or sags lots of light spots, rough spots, an uneven finish, and crooked carrying handles. The "insulation" is nothing more than a series of heat shields inside nothing special there. I put it on my Aladdin Blue Flame and got it up to a low temperature today glass didn't blow out thank goodness. I am looking forward to trying it on the Butterfly 2487 cooking stove I have tried and really like soon. This oven, I priced it online and SPM is pretty proud of it. I think a un insulsted Coleman oven is made of way better tin, better coating, and better quality. OK on the positive note. I am going to enjoy it this winter until I see paint coming off. If the glass cracks I'm going to put a piece of mica or a piece of sheet metal in until I can afford the correct glass. Excited to take it apart, make templates of all pieces, and bend one up myself out of quality 16 or 14 gauge sheet metal or hopefully stainless steel myself. If you get one of these free or as a gift that's awesome. If you are thinking about buying one save your money unless they go way down in price. Considering how dirty this one was from Butterfly unassembled I wouldn't recommend buying one assembled. Because the one I put together today started out filthy dirty. Buy a Coleman oven, or early used Perfection type insulated oven that is going to look nice and function for a long long time. I now wish I would have actually taken photos of the de burring of edges, washing, drying, wipe down, and assembly and posted them here. Anyways yep my thoughts on this oven. Enclosed is a picture of it on the Aladdin Blue Flame. Not a bad temperature for the bottom being completely open. I will have to see how it performs on the Butterfly 2487 stove and take pictures.
Looks good now that you're done with it! The gauge reads 150C ish? Assuming(hah........) it's accurate, that's ~300F, would bake many things just fine, if slowly.
Butterfly oven works absolutely amazing on the Butterfly 2487 Cooking Stove. I brought it up to 450°F very quickly with a clean blue flame from the stove. I maintained a steady 450°F temperature for 6 hours. No broken glass or problems. Baked delicious sugar cookies in it inside that came out delicious. My next modification will be building a cart for the stove for safety and ease of operation. Planning to fabricate a metal stand to securely hold the oven over this stove.
