Coleman Model 2 - Help

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  1. Majicwrench

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    The 7 rods, I take out jet end. Pointy thing is pricker. Not only does it "prick" the jet, removing the debris which can end up there, it also regulates the flow of fuel as you turn it in and out. If it's moving in and out, you are in business.

    Must be enough carbon built up that the 7 rods are stuck. You don't need to be too concerned about removing them. When I remove the 7 rods, I take em out the jet end, and put them back into the jet end with the rod/pricker installed. Of course, you have to remove jet.

    Did you get the jet off?
     
  2. Jack Bonham United States

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    Thanks. Yes the jet came off just like you said. "Heat is your friend". It was also helpful to know that it isn't threaded on. When you know how things are put together, it's a lot easier to take them apart.

    I think tomorrow I may have the stones to try this with actual Coleman gas. Stand by for news.
     
  3. hikerduane

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    Little tricky getting the rods and pricker back and in their space. They don't want to cooperate very well. I think you'll need to do a thorough cleaning of all those parts, I use fine sandpaper or 3M cloth, otherwise I think your doing all this is knocking rust and carbon loose, at the least with tip off run some fuel thru to flush the crud out.
    Duane
     
  4. Majicwrench

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    We are standing by with a fire extinguisher and a video camera............
     
  5. Jack Bonham United States

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    Not so hot blast.
    I put it all back together. Pump seemed to work fine and generate pressure. I got an initial few drips of fuel from the tip which lit nicely but just burned away...it didn't seem like the valve was doing anything. I think I have a valve issue or there's crud in the tube.

    I don't know how to get the pricker and the rods out for cleaning. I don't see rods at the valve end - it looks solid there. Is it possible to push from that end?

    I'm also a bit worried that the jet may have damaged the pricker end. When you put the jet on it seems like it could damage the end.
     
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    Better news today, I think. When I took the generator off everything was loose and the rods came out so I've given them a thorough cleaning along with the pricker thing. Now to get them all reassembled.

    One question - how far should the pricker go through the orifice (jet?). It barely goes into the hole of the jet and I don't if that's correct or I need to work on cleaning up the jet a bit more.


    Gen Disassembled.jpeg
     
  7. hikerduane

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    With the valve closed, the wire may or may not protrude out the tip, if it is only flush, that is all that is needed. Even after cleaning all, even running a brush thru the tube, you may still need to open and close the valve numerous times to clear the tip.
    Duane
     
  8. Jack Bonham United States

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    We've got hot blast. Thanks to Duane and Majicwrench it all came together and lit up just like the videos. It was pretty exciting. A week ago I didn't know sxxt about old stoves and now, with your help, I have this rust bucket working. It's been a fun project.

    Two more questions...should I paint it and does anyone possibly have a key? Aside from an oven rack, I think that would make it complete.

    Thanks so much!

    Jack
     
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    Great you got it going, great feeling and pride.
    Good luck finding a key.
    Paint, up to you. I think enough rust that with a good paint job would preserve it and add value, kinda a tipping point somewhere.
    Duane
     
  10. Majicwrench

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    I've got the plans for making an oven rack, I made one a couple years ago.

    GOOD ON YA FOR MAKING FIRE!!
     
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    Congrats! Majicwrench and others helped me to get my Model 1 going. Nice Dialogue and instructions. Im now working on a model 2. This is a really great helpful forum. Thanks to all. BTW Did you decide to paint? If so what did you use to get the rust off?
     
  12. Jack Bonham United States

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    I have not entirely decided about repainting. I'm afraid I won't be happy with my paint job and it does seem to be a lot of work. I don't think I have the patience to strip all the sheet metal the way I'd like...I'm a bit of a perfectionist. Just getting rid of the rust will likely give an uneven finish. It would be nice to have the tank repainted and stenciled properly. If I can wrap my head around that I might give it a shot.
    Stand by for news!
     
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    Hello I’m Jacks older brother Jim.He has passed the stove to me to continue with the restoration!
    He had it burning so if I don’t screw something up I want to cook breakfast for him this summer. Right or wrong I plan to completely restore to as close to 1925 as I can. Was the
    color a flat black or satin? Has
    anyone used VHT paint? Does
    the burner get painted? There is a brass button underneath the burner that appears to be warn down. It looks like it should fit into the sliding lever.
    It is warn completely down.
    Appreciate all help, suggestions and support. Thanks
     
  14. Majicwrench

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    Pictures please!
     
  15. Jim Bonham United States

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    Hi Majicwrench
    I have taken over from Jack and want to show a picture of the wrench I have made. I’m having trouble getting pictures of my new wrench on the site.

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    Hi all

    You all have me on the edge of my seat with this thread!
    Great story,
    Great stove,
    Great advice,

    Looking forward to seeing the results of the Bonham brothers so far brilliant fettling journey!

    Regards
    Scott B
     
  17. Jim Bonham United States

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    Well I’m learning about the stove from Jack, Duane and you. In my last message I said that a brass button was warn down. I have now discovered that it is the valve for burner
    #2 that was pushed even with the burner casting!
     
  18. Jim Bonham United States

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    I’m sorry that I am having so much trouble sending pictures!
    I believe that the end of the valve groove is too deep for the adjustment slot in the adjuster
    rod. Might need to remedy that
    some way. I will need help with a lot things in the future. I took the generator apart and spilled the rods on the floor, put them back with only what I saw on the floor. 6 put gen together with 6 and they bound up and
    after some cussing I got gen apart and looked on hand and knees and found 7! Thanks again for your help
     
  19. Majicwrench

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    Thanks for the pictures.
    Not sure what you mean by "the end of the valve groove is too deep for the adjustment slot in the adjuster" it all looks good in the pictures
     
  20. Jim Bonham United States

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    0710DD36-E230-4165-86B7-904174C21D83.jpeg Hi Guys
    Spent some time in the garage
    today. Temperature was 56 Degrees. Very unusual for Northern Indiana! The more I research this particular stove
    I think grandpa Bonham purchased a stove that was made from parts left from the switch from #1 to #2 !! Tank with valve, wire legs, different closure, different case closure
    hardware and now this! 2 different burner covers! I would say the punch press operator screwed up.
     

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