I just found an Enders "baby" no.263... it has never been removed from its tin container and in it's original box. All pieces are still wrapped in their packing paper. It is in 100% like new condition. I've seen badly scuffed, highly used, examples of this stove sell for over $200us. Any ideas as to what iis a fair asking price for this exemplatory piece? Owen
Hello, Owen, Welcome to CCS. Regarding your Enders, please look in the top right hand corner of any page on this site, and you will see that we do not offer any valuation information. The market is just too volitile. I'd recommend you offer your Enders on Ebay, and whatever the final price is, when the whistle sounds, that is what it's worth, on any given day. Best of luck, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc Mark P.S. Just to show you how things can sometimes go, I bought my own Enders Baby #263, new in the box, with all instructions, and tools, for just $20. Go figure....
Thank you, Doc Mark, I'm quite sorry that i did not see or read the rules of posting... before posting. Rather than take a chance at getting only $20 for this stove i'll just go ahead and use it, as I am a stove user too. I just did not want to use the stove if it had some high value in it's pristine condition... obviously it is not anything special. Yes, i have the instructions for mine, as well. It will be a treat unwrapping the individual stove parts for the first time. Can my stove be dated precisely? I've been using the super lightweight Brasslite stoves for sometime... exclusively. I have an old handmade, by the Brasslite owner, Solo... which is a small pressurized alcohol stove made entirely from brass shimstock... and one thumbscrew and hidden nut, soldered underneath the top plate. I also have newer Turbo models, but they go comepletely unused because when the weather gets cold or if the barometric pressure drops or both... they are right there next to worthless if not completely worthless, in my opinion. Because of some of the inherent faults with the brasslite stoves... tippability, fuel consumption inefficiency and weather related problems... I have worked hard on my own brass shimstock stove design and have overcome all of these problems in doing so. My stove consists of 3 cone frustums, an inner wall and top plate with the jet holes one drill bit size smaller than my early Solo model and with these jet holes 3/32" from the 3/4" center hole in the top plate. This stove type is known to myself as semi-pressurized. In testing, I've achieved over a 250% gain in fuel efficiency over the very dependable Brasslite Solo model. I'd like to produce these stoves for others, but I'm not there yet as I'm striving to get seamless looking joints to further distance my own design from the neanderthol look and unecessarily weight incurring 3/16" lapped seams of the Brasslite stoves. Indeed, if I get these into production they should be a treat! So, let this be my intro... and thank you again for your warm welcome! Owen
Owen..don't unwrap it yet..keep a eye on Ebay..the collectors in Japan are the ones who will pony up for a unused stove..having said that i'm sure any of us at CCS would fire it up in a second just to see how fast it would boil up a cup of tea..
Good Evening, Owen, Thanks for getting back to us. Please don't take my comments about not giving values as personal. It's just that many folks write in and ask for that service, and we just cannot assign a specific value to any given stove, on any given day. I told you what I paid for my own Enders Baby, just so you could see how huge the price swings can be. I have never fired mine up, truthfully, as I, personally, enjoy having a few "virgin" stoves in my collection. But, Brother Dave is 100% correct, in that many CCS members would fire that puppy up, right away, because that's what a stove was meant to do!! 8) Dave is also right in telling you that there are some collectors, in different parts of the world, that pay top dollar for certain stoves that they wish to own. I feel confident that you would get a little more than the $20 that I paid for my Enders, should you wish to offer yours on Ebay!! Your stove experiments sound interesting. Several of our members, in many different locations around the world, also like to "roll their own", when it comes to stove design and manufacture. Some of the offerings have been quite good, actually, and some of the have been a huge POS!! How about some photos of your own efforts, with some test results? We love photos around here, and I'm sure your posts in that regard would generate lots of interest. Thanks, again, and good luck with your Baby, whether you decided to sell it, or keep it for your own enjoyment. Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc Mark
Doc just wait one of my ridiculas creations may just work one day!!! Welcome Owen. Ignore DOc when he says he only paid $20 for his stoves. He has the mitres touch in finding them. The rest of us most of the time pay more for some reason. Give you $40 for the enders cos I don't like shellite that much.And its noisey Is your metho stove adjustable? 250% heck of a proformance increase. Some of us like playing with metho. Weird and wonderfull creations and stuff Boil time for 1 litre be a handy thing A few photos and test etc. Rough diamonds are always welcome!! Think its the fumes or something. Cheers Barra
Morning, Owen, Bruce is right about me "having the touch", when it comes to finding great stoves for a great price! Been that way since I first started collecting them, back in the late '70's, early '80's! I'm blessed in that way, and in many others, and am extremely grateful, every single day!! But, in truth, good stove buys, like my $20 Enders, of the Borde I have, for which I also paid $20, are still out there, waiting to be found!! Just takes a massive amount of looking around, and seeking them out, in as many places as you can manage to hunt them!! Bruce is one of our "home-brewed" stove makers, and along with Opps/Robert, the two of them have certainly come up with some interesting, and very workable stoves!! Hey, they may not always be successful, but that's why they call it "experimentation"!!! 8) It's all in good fun, anyway, and that's what's so attractive about the whole thing! So, please post some photos of your own experiments, Owen, so we can see what you're about. Thanks, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc Mark
Owen: First, welcome aboard!! From whence do you hale? If you have a mint condition stove that has some degree of scarcity I, personally, would keep it that way. Of course there are those among us who find it difficult to accommodate the the unique qualities of a "virgin" stove in the midst of the many that are not. Once she is lit a certain quality of innocence is lost forever. Used stoves are much more common than the unused beauties. Of course, if you are the one to light it there might be some satisfaction in doing so. The prior comment re the Japanese and their generosity in bidding on virgin stoves is totally accurate. That element alone can quadruple the final selling price. 8) 8) Just give it some thought before you light her up. Then do the right thing, which, of course, is whatever you want to do. =D> =D> Gordon
Owen, Listen to your Brother Gordon, as he speaks the truth!!! Yes!! Virgin stoves are the only ones with life-time "new" written all over them!!! Every collector should have at least a dozen virgins, or more!! 8) 8) Once you fire up any stove, it will never again be the same. Keep some virgins and use the others!! Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Hi Owen, that's a fine Welsh name you have, any connections to Wales in the family? Re the stove, unless you want to make money on it in the future (nothing wrong in that) just light it up, that was what it was made for. My views are not popular with some here, but unless I'm after making a few pennies on a stove or lamp, they all get lit at my home
Hi "Rik": Since when do Stovies live in the real world???!!! I think I departed that realm about 200 stoves ago!! Gordon
Hey, Gordon, Rik, and All, Gordon, that was funny as all hell!!! All it takes is for someone to see my stove room, and they give me that look, like: "From what planet did you come, anyway"???!!! "Real world", indeed!! Rik, I would never characterize your viewpoint on lighting stoves as "unpopular". Nothing could be further from the truth, actually. Whatever you do with your own stoves is certainly fine with me, and I'm sure, everyone else, too. The fact that some of us like to have some special "virgin" stoves in our collection, is just our way of doing things. Both viewpoints are equally valid, and neither you, nor I, nor anyone else, is "wrong" and the other view "right". We're each having fun with our own stoves, in the manner that pleases each of us most! Nothing at all wrong with that, is there?! Heck, no!! 8) So, see? All IS right with the world, real, or otherwise!! 8) Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc Mark (....who, just this morning, looked at his two M1942 stoves, one a virgin, and one in fine shape, but definitely used. I love them both, but for different reasons. And, though I'm very happy to have one to be able to use, I'm happier, still to have a mint one that has never seen flame, except maybe a test at the factory!! Life is good!)
Gordon, I'm like a kid on a long journey "does it work, are we there yet", so until I light the buggers up, I never know. I do like the Japanese guys who collect stoves, it seems an almost different approach to us. I light them up, some of us light some up and keep some unlit, for many of the Japanese (and asian) collectors; its almost like a Zen thing, while still connecting to stoves, the respect given is almost spiritual (as with swords, blades etc), its all down to a form of purity.
$20? $30? $40? Ha! Think again stovies. We should not even respond to the iquiries that ask for valuation. What is my stove worth?
Nuts i got a brand new one also and paid a lot less and i have had it 6 mouths just to look at. But when think i like to fire it up i see 3 more on the shelve so i lite one of them. But if i find out that i dont have long to live they all will be lit.
Very interesting indeed, Bark. Looks like our boy is taking virginity a little too far! Be the first to even open the box, indeed. Looks like 20 bucks ain't good enough, Doc....
Hey, Ed, When he first posted his note, I got the strong feeling that this fellow as not interested in any more than making some coin on his stove. Sometimes you just have to go with your first impressions of people! And, as far as my own Enders Baby, mine has a much nicer box that the one that Mr. Coors is selling, and I STILL got it for just $20!!! So, put that on your Ebay, Lad!! 8) 8) I wish Mr. Coors all the luck in the world, but am rather disappointed that he wasn't totally honest in the first place. I agree with Bark, from now on, anyone who asks for a stove evaluation, obviously has not even read even the smallest bit of information on this site, or they would already know that we're not into offering such info. No more reponse from me, because if they're not even going to look at the entire first page of CCS, then they are not worth my time!!! Just my opinion, and your mileage may vary. Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc Mark
Don't you think that 'dishonest' is a bit harsh of a judgement to pass on me, Doc Mark? Afterall, you are the one that suggested that i list it on eBay. Anyways, I suppose that I don't really want to sell that stove afterall as I'm itching to open it up and see what it can do, but that will have to wait 7 more days though. Thanks to all you folks for your replies and big welcome. I'll try to share with you guys some of the things that i've learned about lightweight brass shimstock stoves, as i'm able. I'll soon be quite busy with a project and will not be able to post during that period of time but, Lord willing, I'll get back to your little forum here. Kind regards to all, Owen Coors
Hello, Owen, You may be right about my choice of words. Been known to happen, now and then. However, I remember when I first found this site, around 4 years ago. I spent hours, days, weeks, and months, reading all the fantastic information that this site has to offer. I certainly would have thought that, if you were truly interested in stoves, as are the rest of us, then you would have read, too, before asking about a valuation for your stove. And, if you HAD read, even the first page of this site, you would have immediately realized that we do not offer that kind of information. So, I assumed, after seeing your listing on Ebay, that you were really only interested in some kind of valuation, and not truly a stove addict, as are the rest of us. If I'm wrong, please accept my apology, However, the fact remains that you did not see the note about not giving valuations, and therefore, I must believe that you didn't spend too much time reading much of the not-to-be-found-elsewhere information that is offered on this site. Again, I wish you luck, and hope that you do, truly, visit often and become a contributing member of this Bunch of Stove Nuts!! You won't find a finer such group, anywhere else. Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc Mark (Candid and honest in his opinons, but willing to admit he might have been off-base on this one. I truly hope so!)
