Enders pump gaskets

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  1. JP2

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    Personally I am visual, it is my dominant learning style. Others have different learning styles so I thing that should be considered before a language barrier.
    Here a overview
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    Good Morning, @Colin Geer , @JP2, and All,

    Colin, you did a great job on that diagram, Sir!! WELL done! For this site, I think such things are really, really helpful, as we have so many folks for whom English is not their primary language.

    However, in our business we have more and more people who tell us that they are "visual learners", and since we know quite a few of these Ladies, personally, we have come to realize that they are not really like that. In point of fact, they simply do not LIKE to have to read something! We include tons of detailed diagrams, too, which are very easy to follow. Those same Gals don't even look at the diagrams, either!!! They want SB to guide each of them, hands-on, through the process, which is impossible! Unfortunately for them, our business is not conducive to dealing with those who really are "visual learners". I know they exist, because my X-Father-in-law used to be like that. He could not make head, nor tails of written instructions, in fact, could not even read the newspaper! But, put a quality micrometer in his hands, and a good lathe, and he could make anything you wanted, all of which would be absolutely perfect!! But, people like him are rare, in reality, and I think that most of those who claim to be "visual learners" may well be like so many of our students, who just don't want to read things for themselves. Note to @JP2 , I'm not speaking of you, personally, and just using our students as a personal example that we see a lot in our work. So, please do not take these comments personally. Our students, most of whom are older ladies, can and do read instructions, when they have to. And, in our work, which is exceedingly detail oriented, reading comprehension is a MUST! If they can't, or don't want to read the detailed instructions, then they cannot succeed in creating what they wish to create. It's pretty simple, actually. We have customers and students from all over the World, and there is no way we can make accommodations for those who are "visual learners". Just thought I'd toss that out there, as an example of some businesses that cannot do as we can do here at CCS. Excellent diagrams, such as Colin has kindly and generously made and shared here, are wonderful, and very helpful to us all!! Not all sites and businesses, however, can possibly deal with things in the same manner as we can here. For what it's worth..... Take care, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
    Doc
     
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    I believe I am a visual person. I was a machinist and an inspector. (I am not a writer) I made things by engineering drawings. But the rules to the manufacturing were written in words. There were specific notes about any number of details. Like the specification to the threads. Sometimes there were requirements to the temperature of the room in which the parts were made. That was written in words.
    What I know is that I have to visualize in my mind the image of the item before I can 'get it'. That means reading the written words with a clear focus. I can do that with a book, or written instructions of assembling, or using, a product I purchased. I also have to hold that part in my hand and re-read the instructions.
    I have a hard time understanding instructions of a stove I do not own.

    I am also reminded that the instructions for the MSR Vapore Jet prototype stove was written in comic book form.

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    P.S. I do miss the (hidden to me) meaning in written words. As shown in some recent posts.
     
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    Wow, Doc, This is a joke if You think that visual leaning is just with your eyes and not read, you really don't know nothing about it. Really
    You should up to date yourself on the subject, and others manner a V L can used to bring their study to another level. Visualization is one of them and it is the best friend of a visual leaners but not the only one. Wow, Anyway this can just be a joke.

    N/B- Doc, the word, visual learners, used in your post is wrong, it doesn't apply to them.
     
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    My guess is I'm a visual learner too!
     
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    Then comic books it is. :)
     
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    In the Western World (how's that for a massive generalisation to start with!) visual and practical skills are nearly always looked down on and relegated to a third class type of knowledge, a long way behind the more 'academic' subjects. However, if you look at the history of advances in human progress through the ages, you tend to find that many of them have been discovered or developed by practical, visual, hands on types of individuals. You'll also find that a great many of them would be considered to be on the ASD educational spectrum (although some are speculation of course as you can't test dead people!). I could mention Bill Gates, Albert Einstein, Steve Jobs, Isaac Newton, JMW Turner (the painter), Alan Turing, Thomas Edison (and probably Nikola Tesla), Tim Burton, Charles Darwin and so many others.

    I do hope nobody is super offended by my words but to declare a personal interest here, I'm dyslexic and also probably mildly Aspergers... maybe!
     
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    @JP2 ,

    Again, I did not mean to offend in any way, and calling many of our customers "visual learner" came from them, not us. We had never heard the term until it began to crop up several years ago. As I mentioned, my X-Father-in-law, was definitely unable to read, and for him, seeing something, was far better than written words, no matter how detailed the wording. I've always consider him to be truly in need of seeing, as reading was not possible for him. As to our students, again, they do not fit the definition as you have just explained it. But, they still call themselves "visual learners". Their term, not ours. Again, this was not written as an insult, or to offend you, I only posted it because in our experience, the words "visual learner" has become popular, and as we have known many of our customers for over 20 years, we know that they read and understand things perfectly, even finely detailed stuff. I hope that explains how we came to see all that....... Take care, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
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    With you on that one Ken @snwcmpr.

    The Optimus instructions came to mind after your comment.

    Hence the popularity of PornHub I guess. :)
     
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    Good enough for MSR.
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    I really like that instruction cartoon!
     
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    Yes please Colin. That schematic of yours was excellent.

    I did the best I could with felt tips and biro in THIS post on CEJN fitting strip-down. Visualising the action is part-way there, but the drawing’s not a patch on yours.

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    John
     
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    I should be able to knock something up over the weekend!
     
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    Hank Hill explaining kerosene stoves.
    The missing episode.
     
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    Ha ha ha ha