No, there is no such thing as "just a kero 111", that model is THE 111, you could say "just a 111T though"
Rik if I can get mine to burn lower that the T with a blue flame...well Humm grumble maybe....pro and cons pros and cons. Not the stove I would grab for a 4 in the morning brew up with grumpy others sleepers around !!!!! Better for the wild twirly wind that can't decide which way it wants to go. Bruce.
Lol Bruce, I know what you mean about the noise, you should listen to an Army No.12 at full crank or an Omnifuel for that matter I do love the T's, but there is just 'something' that keeps pulling me back to the 111
Don't worry Rik the 111 has been getting at me more and more. Got to admit to me it is the best roarer I got!!! In many ways. When it gets all hot and settled in.Which seems to take a good while on mine it quietens down and seems to woosh more than grumble along. Check 'yer p.m. Bruce
Deefer you mean?? ..Hey...Say it again!! Its only after I fire up a silent I realise how noisey the the things are I got "surfers ears" Which is strange cos I tried it a couple of times. Sort of painfull..when the pinging starts from using power tools even with good ear muffs..I give it up for a few days and let things settle a bit. Who said " Don't be bloody stupid a bit a noise won't hurt 'yu" Ohh yer me Dad. Skin flinting 'ol sod. Barra
If it ever stops raining here, I'll fire up an Omnifuel, and a No.12 and video the event, best to turn your speakers down
While I like the classic silent burners on general classical principals, and this goes even more so for the roarer burners, it has always seemed to me on reflection that the Coleman "wafer"-style burner makes the most sense for a campstove burner. It's silent, but it doesn't have the loose bits of a classic silent (how many eBay brass silents come without inner and/or outer caps? Most of 'em....), and it can't underburn. What, on the other hand, is the downside of the Coleman burner design?
I don't know that there is a downside to the Coleman "wafer burner" design. The way Coleman deploys them, the heat is more diffuse than a standard silent (which is an advantage for everything except melting snow), but I think this is just a function of the burner diameter. A smaller diameter wafer burner, like the one on the SnowPeak WG stove is a very concentrated heat source. ....Arch
Very interesting comments chaps. So am I to understand that one of those Coleman Peak 1 stoves (the ones that can burn kero. with the swapping of the generator) are quiet ? :o :o hmmm ! (Did I already know that?) Bruce, if you are starting to enjoy the roar of a 111, just wait 'til you crank up a 22 ! ROCK & ROLL with the amps turned up to 11 !
I personally like the wafey washer design. I don't llike it on top of the tank as I'm scared the peak 1 might melt or some thing worse if I put a camp oven on it for a few hrs. I'm gunna pluck up the courage and just do it next pot roast ..up the back in an open spot and let the gods take care of it. All the heat high pressure and stuff..Hope it passses the test. Spuds the peak 1 with a kero generator works great now that I put the generator in proper. It wasn't gettin the full venturi air mix and burnt a bit shitty with heavy kero. Now burns it blue and great, They do get HOT though...Errr mummy!! They are very quite Spuds I like the look of that Snow peak!! completely forgotten it. Hey Arc The pump head easy enough to service? Do you think it would go the distance??? Now if they could burn kero..Oohh arrrh. Still nice design .. Another burner design I need for me collection..eer mean needs testing close up and personal like Bruce
Hi Bruce, That stove is in California, and I haven't used it on a real trip yet, but from memory the pump is reasonably easy to service. It's has both metal and plastic parts, but I was impressed with how sturdy it was -- seems better than even the old yellow MSR pumps. Of course, different materials wear differently, so there's no telling what shape it would be in after a couple of years of regular use, intense cold conditions, etc. Still, SnowPeak seems to make quality equipment, so I bet it would last ok. ....Arch
Hey check this out! Two models even. For the giga wg http://www.snowpeak.com/back/stoves/white_gas.html Hexy but nice...Please put a kero generator on it Franken project to copy maybe.. Only bad thing I can find on them is that at one stage if you cranked down hard on the fuel vavle enough you could slpit the plastic or something ?? and it could leak. Apparently they done a recall .....fixed it one hopes. Bruce
gooday barrabruce i have an old sirram 1pt were you add an egg cup full off fuel to this brass pad its called a red cap, the burner ia contained in the pan but if i set it up with a fry pan on top i can cook a couple of lamb chops and boil a litre of water pretty quick. metho stove. good for two people. done a coupla weeks up at broome and carnarvon with this stove. take the stove in the shop they (the store keepers) hide the metho cos the black fellas drink it. but still dont know what is best for 4 or 5 people. pajero wagon i go in. tilley still good but only one burner. coleman dual fuel in the back of pajero but left side burner is poor.
Hi, stove brothers at the first link by barrabruce there is such a text Does anybody knows how it is working without preheat?
I don't know exactly how it works, but I know that it does work. This stove requires a lot of pumping, and has a "light / run" valve on it, much like a Coleman stove. This is how I think it works: With the valve in the "light" position, a lot of air is blown with the fuel in order to vaporize it, so it can be lit even though the burner is cold. After it has burned for a minute, the burner is hot enough to vaporize the fuel. At this time the air flow can be reduced by turning the valve to the "run" position. It's also necessary to pump the stove again at this point. Of course, only a volatile fuel like white gas will vaporize under these conditions. ....Arch
ArchMc, thank you I get the idea but in a such a way fuel/air mixture is incorrect, there is too much air in it. It's a point to think on
Grigority Probably right but remember it is a fine misty fog before you ignite it . Some would condesence out after being forced thou the nipple and past all the other stuff to the outside of the burner. Maybe something like that. ST3v3 All the coleman second burners are weak but if you pump the bejesus out of them they don't go to bad. There is one model with a better second one. Suitcases I can live with the small ones with tank underneath on such a explosive fuel some one else can have. A twin adjustable Kerostove like a alladin.Primus ets. Or two Handi stovettes!! They pack perfectly in to the bottom of a milk crate. With room for a fry pan etc. No fuss simple!! I use adjustable silents on mine. Put huge pots on 'em if you like.Good winsheild will help in blowy weather and you can put the other one "over there if you like." 111 kero and a 111T Use a 10 inch frypan on them or a reasonably big pot. Solid performers no hastles. Just make sure the biggest pot you have to take will fit on it first thou. Don't do petrol stoves myself except small stuff like 123's siggs etc. Got an 'ol coleman bushmen probably do but I'd rather cart kero in a jerry can than pertrol anyway in an inclosed vehicle or even on the outside!!! Cheers Barra
