Phoebus 625 in Austria is easy to find 2nd hand. At the usual auction sites especially at willhaben in at. Hannes
Danke sehr. A quick search does indeed show lots of fine stoves. I’ll need to dust off my German but I have a few months to do so before my next trip. -R
I keep a 123r/Sigg in my hunting pack. It's really the only time I backpack nowadays. But of I had to choose just one I'd pick either a 413 or 426. Because if in a SHTF situation gas is easy come by. You can use a folding oven on one and have an extra burner. They are very reliable and easy to maintain. Large fuel capacity. As far as being to heavy for backpacking, like I said I don't do it often so leave it home and cook over a stick fire. Edit: After thinking it over I'd go with the 413 because of weight. The 426 is a heavy beast.
If I had to choose only one (heresy) it would be a Trangia 27. not too heavy to hike with, but still big enough to cook for up to 3 in a pinch. Dependable, works well inside or out. And meths is readily available and cheap, particularly compared to other fuels.
This is easy. A Trangia 25-1 HA. Trangia needs no real explanation - it's the most reliable, can cook real food with it, it's stable, very wind resistant, can simmer well, fuel is safer, multi-purpose and readily available etc etc 25 because it's the most versatile, more efficient than a 27 (burner size is best matched to this pot size) and able to comfortably serve a number of people. When cooking real food, I find the 27 a bit too cramped and slower for the same amount of work. The original design is often the best. Modern HA because it's lighter than the vintage stuff, still very durable (more than non-stick) and a really nice step up from raw alu. Duossal is better for cooking but the lighter weight is more often more important to me. But if this was a car or motorbike camping question, then Duossal would be the answer.
Ahh, the Trangia clan eventually show up in force- late to the discussion, cos their meals took longest to cook Seriously though good rationale, all this makes interesting reading.
Nahhh, we had our feet up taking a relaxing nap while enjoying the silence from our stoves and the sounds of nature instead! Because we weren't faffing around connecting, pumping, priming with a different fuel, changing o rings, pricking, cleaning etc etc, our meals got cooked in the same time anyway, just with a lot less fuss and stress. Seriously though, it doesn't take that long if you know how to get the burner to bloom straight up and it's not that heavy either after everything else is taken into account. I see a lot of people give up straight after the first boil took a long time because the burner was stone cold and it didn't bloom for ages... just keep it warm in a pocket or warm it up a bit first if this is going to be a problem. But I don't have to melt a lot of snow in a hurry either, so there's that!
Fell asleep out of boredom you mean Outdoor food without the roar? Also to be mentioned of course is how effective the Trangia windshield design is at allowing meths cooking outdoors, and the sheer neat compactness of having the whole stove and pan set packing up into one bundle.
I have a database for my own camp setups, and of these the most weight-efficient system designed as a complete self-contained stove/pot/pan system is... the Mountain Cookset and M1950 stove. Once you start looking at cooking for a group it becomes a surprisingly efficient system. Of course, there are downsides, so you could swap out the M1950 and take some more modern powerful trail stove that will fit in a MCS. A Whisperlite is lighter again, a Windpro even lighter. Either of those will fit along with a fuel canister, and windshield. Or pack a stove that roars (a Dragonfly will fit). Just make sure you have at least 4 people to make it worth your while. OK, alright, if you leave the kettle behind then the T25 is more weight efficient. But also smaller.
My 'favourite' changes every time I use one that isn't my favourite! So it alternates between a Primus 96, an Optimus 8r or the Svea 123/r
British Burmos 21, this stove has always produced very clean burning Blue only flames... i have 3 of them , def one of my favorite's.
@Insigma Good choice, that was my pick earlier in the thread. I've used mine a great deal, including plenty of situations where I've really depended on it, and it has given great service and never lacking in output. It is only recently on here I've noted how many swear at them rather than by them- a lot have manufacturing defects in the pump tube department. Fortunately mine seems not to have, and anyway, ignorance has meant bliss!
1. Trangia style burner. Make own windbreak in the field. Crusader cup. 2. Swedish military mess kit. 3. A 96. 4. Russian Schmel 4 5. Brit Army no. 12 6. Brit Army no. 12 7. Propane device of some kind TBH.
1. Svea 123 2. Optimus Nova 3. Svea 123 4. Primus 71 5.Optimus 22 6. ? 7. Coleman suitcase 8. Non ultra light backpacking - 00
1. Svea 123, but I don't do any ultralight hiking; I do try for light....I hike with 123/Sigg and Optimus 00 or other one-pint kero brassie. 2. Doesn't apply, except for perhaps a Coleman 413/424 and oven. Wife and I plus offspring and spouses number 28 people, so "Apocolypse escape" would be more like a long caravan than a 'bug out". 3. Don't bike camp. 4. Haven't been on a motorcycle for 55 years. 5. Coleman 413/414. 6. Optimus 45 in Sea Swing. 7. The Coleman suitcase, again.
