I think it's a solution for a problem that isn't there... What are your thoughts? I'll stick with my Kap....
I don't think it is a joke. There are too many retailers showing it. But, if it is I will laugh at myself. I do think it will sell, some will buy it just because it is a jetboil. And then return it to REI, and I will buy it cheap at a garage sale there. Ken in NC
Just in case anybody else is confused by this thread as I was - click on Jetboil Joule and scroll down a bit...
I was referring to the first post in the thread, Ken - 111T obviously knew what he was talking about but it wasn't obvious to me at all. No introduction, no background, no lead-in - nothing. Was there a hidden link in there that I didn't spot or something? Odd that the word 'Joule' doesn't appear in the (hopefully copyright-free ) pic he posted but it does in the illustration on the page I linked to...
From the picture I got impression that "new solution" was inverted canister. There is already several solutions for that "problem". 111T knows the answer to the quest and hopefully he will tell the answer...
I think it is real, and a joke. We are going in circles. They have designed a dedicated liquid-fuel stove that uses gas canisters. Next advance will be to replace the disposable canister with a permanent container with a fill port. One could then refill it with various flamable liquids. If there was only a way to pressurize it; maybe a pump or a way to capture heat so that it could self pressurize. Wouldn't that be something?
Unless they are being disingenuous in stating absolute volume and not a practical one, I'm struggling to see how that pot will hold 2.5 litres.
Maybe it's the large 450 gram canister - and they are fooling us by scale and perspective... And everything is twice as big as it seems? Nah, don't think so.
Ok David, I see what you meant. I agree a link and more of an explanation would have been more clear. (Random thoughts alert) I think it is the bean-counters trying to get a percentage of market-share. Maybe engineers trying to keep their job. Publicly traded companies can't survive on profit, they must have 'growth'. (That is another topic all together different) This is said to be a group setup. MSR Reactor has 3 sizes of pot. 1, 1.7, & 2.5. But, the Reactor is not an inverted canister stove. 2.5 is not a stretch and really not that heavy. 5.51 pounds or 2500 grams (2.5 kg). What is new for the Jetboil is the inverted canister. Is the warmth below the flame intended to keep the canister 'slightly warm'? Is there a generator through the flame? I assume so. And Ross, yes, why do they think this is a must have. I watch shoppers at REI, if they are looking at stoves, the Jetboil is on the most prominent shelf and so many of them. Almost every one touches or picks up a Jetboil package. Flashy and fancy package. New is not always an answer. Why the new thought of making the canister useful in winter when winter stoves have been around for years??? Why is this considered necessary? One disadvantage of the canister to me, is not knowing how much is left. So, I always thought I needed an extra canister, just in case. And the need to carry an empty after the fuel was gone. (Yes, I will have to eat words April 1st if this is found to be a huge joke on all of us) Ken in NC
The Joule is an inverted-operation competitor to MSRs large Reactor stove. MSR Link The JetBoil inverted-operation Joule comes in at $20 less than the upright-only MSR Reactor 2.5-liter (MSRP $229) and that $199.95 Joule price is the has-not-yet-been-released price. Street prices will likely be less. The Joule was introduced in trade shows in summer 2013 - it's been in the pipeline for some time. Given that there is a goodly bit of competition between MSR and JetBoil, I believe you will find the 2.5-liter pot size to be accurate and not an inflation to somehow deceive buyers. MSR has demonstrated they aren't hesitant to demonstrate their competitions flaws. Video Link
Great info Gary, and I do like and agree with the MSR video. I use the MSR reactor when traveling to make coffee on the road. Total of ten minutes to pull to a roadside rest, boil a litre of water, grind coffee with the Zassenhaus hand grinder, and brew with the GSI Java Drip. But, isn't there an inherent limit in what temp a canister can be used without inverting it? Ken in NC
Loved the video! My dislike of the Jetboil stoves is somewhat irrational. I just want to stamp on one when I see it.
