From what I've read the bomb is made by one man, one at a time, and although it still seems like a lot of money, there is some reasonable justification for the price. Looking at the "Ti Tri Caldera" ( eeeeeeeeeeesh ) I don't see it. ( unless it's to pay that marketing department.....)
Hi Am I being thick here, But in a multi fuel stove which preheats the fuel with a generator like the Kovea gas/white gas stove it doesn't matter if the gas is cold and still a liquid. Coz if the stove can vapourise liquid fuel it can surely vapourise gas that is liquid. If get what I mean?
that's the way the coleman powermax stoves worked. quite well by all accounts... most gassies require that the butane gassify to leave the fuel bottle. [media=youtube]C2cuOLYpujU[/media] [media=youtube]v92sh9PPbdE[/media]
Yep that's correct the trick is getting the liquid gas from the can to the stove. Hence the natty inverted can stand on the new coleman Fyrestorm stoves. Cheers John
The stove needs to have a pre heater tube to enable you to do it with a modicum of sucess/ safey. THIS stove has such a preheater tube. Generally the larger the preheater tube the better the stove is at burning liquid LPG. Caution however as LPG is quite a corrosive liquid and the stove hose ( on a pure gas appliance is generally designed for Vapour applications so if the stove is used on vapour a lot then the hose might start to degrade more quickly... I'd personally save running the stove on liquid LPG for essential times such as a very cold bivvy etc..... I'm guessing that multifuels stoves such as the Primus Multifuel etc have a differing spec of hose..... Something like an old MSR rapidfire ( a gas version of the Whisperlite) might have a hose suited for vapour only.. Hope this helps John
I know I said I wouldn't get a Jetboil and technically I didn't, but I came pretty close. At first I wanted one because I had heard good things. Then you collectively convinced me that it wasn't useful because it could only boil water and it was incompatible with larger pots. Finally, I started to get curious as to why everyone hated it so much and became intrigued only to find another product similar but better. I call this the 'Bear Grylls' cycle. I give you ... ... the Kovea Alpine Pot |imgRemoved| http://www.kovea.co.nz/main.cfm?id=3&cid=58&pid=194 ... compared to: |imgRemoved| Yeah, yeah, I know, it's a Jetboil and a knock off at that, but consider that I was told that Kovea was Jetboil's OEM and they figured how to eliminate what remained of Jetboil's production problems (and patent/ brand royalties) and offer a product that is slightly more robust (begs, not fins) and slightly more fuel efficient. The burner has a claimed output of less than the Jetboil and brought 500ml to a rolling boil in 4 minutes. That sounds slow, and I could be wrong, but it seemed pretty efficient. I could put my hands surprisingly close to the vents without getting too hot. Total fuel consumption was 5g or under. But this competitor has a few major improvements. Firstly, it comes with a pot support as standard that stows into the cup with a smaller cup. You can't fit the cannister if you stow the cup and pot support. It also comes a mesh bag with a padded base. The pot means compatibility with other pots and means you can carry a small pot/ bowl stack and cater for several people. Secondly, the flame adjustment valve pops out for ease of access. Thirdly, it takes standard cannisters and not just Jetpower gas blend. I bought mine for HK$690 (US$88) which is a bit less than I would have paid to buy and ship a Jetboil. I was honestly impressed, or at least relieved that it wasn't as bad as I was led to expect. It boils water very well and the cap has a nice spill-resistant sipping hole. I could probably cook MREs in the pot without using the bag on a low heat and I like the option of being able to use other pots or a fry-pan. My biggest remaining criticism is the use of the small butane cannisters. I could use a bigger one, but it wouldn't nest. But let's say I carry the spare cup and the pot holder and a stack of aluminium pots. I could stow a larger cannister in the pots because there is no space for a small cannister now anyway. Obviously, I haven't properly field tested it. That will have to wait till next time I am out and about. I will bring a selection of foods, including Ramen noodles, UK/US style MREs and some 'proper' food.
Hey, Zed, Very nice, indeed!! Is that setup available only overseas, or will it be marketed in the US, too? I'm a tad confused as to the price. Was that HK$690 = $8 US? If so, then, I think we'll ALL buy one of those setups!!! I look forward to your test reports, as one who has heretofore eschewed the Jetboil, for a variety of reasons. However, I think the word "hate" is a bit strong for my feelings about that stove. It is just not designed to do the things I require of most of my stoves, that's all. Your new setup looks great, though! Congrats, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
And now I have just received my Borde Bombe, I think that might be getting my attention first. I just read the instructions and it calls for petrol!!!! yikes.
Well, it's a bomb after all, isn't it? Using petrol in stoves was very unfamiliar to me too - in Norway, petrol stoves was a no-no until 1990 or thereabout. Consequently, we have been used to kerosine and propane/butane, whereas petrol was considered dangerous. Use common sense and you'll be fine. You get used to it rather quickly. Knut
Hey, Zed, I burn Coleman fuel in my own Borde, and it works very well, indeed, and has never clogged up, at all. Great little stove, and one that you will enjoy using, me thinks! Congrats on getting one of those little gems! Now, as to the price differential between HK$ and US$. I'm still confused. Guess I "thick", but I still don't understand what the price you paid for your new little Jetboil knock-off would be in US$. Was it $80? Sorry to be so lame.... Have fun with both your new stoves!! Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Hey, Ian, Many thanks! I do have a currency conversion site bookmarked, but didn't even think about using it to solve my misunderstanding. There I go, being "thick", again!! Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
To get currency conversions type into google: To be more accurate, I actually paid only $75, because I got a 15% discount off the shelf price. If I were to order a Jetboil from the US, I would probably end up paying $70 list price plus another $20-30 in postage, because no doubt the seller would insist on global priority with tracking, when another service would be more efficient in terms of cost. Even at the same price, I would pick this over a Jetboil. BTW, is the Borde meant to have an o-ring on the stopper? I don't want to die in a fireball.
Yes! Yes! Yes! An absolutely amazing piece of kit. If what you want to do is boil water for whatever purpose, it will do it better than just about anything else (I know I'm gonna get some flak about that). Pretty much everything you need goes inside. From match to boil in 2:30 (one pint in 25 deg. F ambient). I have only recently acquired one but it is in my pack for day trips and longer treks on the AT (nothing like Doc's 850 miler though). Pete PS - Just started on this thread and haven't read through page five yet. Hope I'm not being repetitive.
You won't get flak from me, the kettle is a great bit of kit. The only reason I don't use mine is its a bit bulky for me, in fact it may be in the for sale section shortly with some other bits I have to get rid of (stuff piling up again, getting 'the look' from the wife)
Richard: 'Tis bulky. I pack "stuff" inside it in a plastic bag - whatever will fit, even non-cooking items. Pete
