MSR MF....DF.... or WHAT??!!!!

I just posted my MSR finds a short time ago. Untill a week ago I never knew these type of MSR stoves existed, great imformation
thanks Jan

 

http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/timeline#full1973e0
"Building on its successful Model 9 stove, MSR released a series of next-generation burners, starting in 1975 with the Model 9 MF stove, that could burn kerosene, in addition to white gas and stove and lantern fuel. In 1977, the Model 9 DF stove was delivered, offering even greater innovative engineering and increased heating efficiency for better backcountry performance."
Thats from MSRs own timeline The associated picture is of a smooth bell burner

 

Yes, you're right. Photos of the MF stoves on CCS and the Internet are utilizing the Model 9A design. Shouldn't the stove be named Model 9A MF?

 

geeves
The stove in the photo from MSR's timeline you're referring to is a 1981 GK with the last production yellow pump without pins and a 1981 or 82 MSR fuel bottle. We're talking about the photo with the two guys on the floor lighting the stove, yes? So much for MSR being on target about their stoves.

 

Evening, All,

As I stated above, the answer is simple, and will be easily understood, BUT, as I am self-employed, I simply do not have time post the whole thing here, right now. So, please hold your water, and I'll tell you all about it, with evidence from MSR to support my comment, backed up by magazine ads, etc..

A final thought before heading to bed, which is calling my name, big time: The MSR museum is fraught with mistakes, sad to say, and several of the stoves are grossly mislabeled. Drew Keegan is slowly taking care of that. But, for now, we've found WAY too many mistakes in their listings, to use the museum info as documentation. This is simply the way it is, until MSR finally cleans up the mistakes, and makes things right. I have to say, this WILL happen. So, again, be patient, and good things will come our way!

'Nuff said, for tonight. I've been up and working since the crack of dawn, and have another such day tomorrow, and for quite a while thereafter. Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc

P.S. Geeves your comments are very good, and have strong validity, in my own experience. As a professional musician for 30 years, I've seen the same thing happen at big musical instrument and PA shows. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and well done, my Friend!

 

One thing to remember in all this is that it is not our job to name stoves. It is the manufacturers.
We have to relly on the manufacturer and magazine articals/ads and lastly new in box stoves that have reliable dating attached. There have been a few NIB stoves lately along with dated cash register receipts that have changed peoples thinking on several stoves.
Its the prototypes that will always kill us and often we can only guess and argue where they fit next to the timeline.
As a side question Was there any stove before the MF (or DF if it was first) that used a combination of loop generator and roarer burner? I know the colemans were already common but all silent

 

I have been following up on some early MSR stove details that adds one more bit of info to the early MSR stove story.

Last year anfeng posted Unfired MSR MF

which contained a picture of an MSR order sheet for stove 22-100. The stove was in a plastic bag hand labeled model 9 MF #22-100.

That got me thinking about stove item numbers.

I made a list of MSR catalog item numbers for the early stoves that I found in MSR newsletters and ads while doing previous research:

Item# Model
#220 Model 9
#22-000 Model 9A
#22-100 Model MF
#22-101 Model G
#22-102 Model GK

Model DF is missing in the list because I did not find an item number for it.

Since the numerical list above is pretty much in order, I thought to myself that the DF item number is likely some extension of the MF number. Or maybe DF shares the MF number since that would be consistent with the thought (@Doc Mark, etc) that MF was later marketed as a renamed DF when MSR realized that multi didn’t work.

Eventually I realized @hikerduane had posted info about Model DF from Newsletter 12:

I messaged Duane about the item numbers from the newsletters and he quickly responded and confirmed that

Newsletter 11 has #22-100 for MF and
Newsletter 12 has #22-100 for DF.

This is more confirmation that DF replaced MF in the MSR stove story. Here is the updated list:

Item# Model
#220 Model 9
#22-000 Model 9A
#22-100 Model MF later replaced by Model DF
#22-101 Model G
#22-102 Model GK

Lots of credit to @hikerduane

Glenn

@Doc Mark @snwcmpr @OMC @oddball

 

Greetings, Glenn (@Retired Hiker Glenn),

I agree with you conclusions, Good Sir! From everything I've seen, and everything I have, your list makes the most sense, without needless clutter and confusion. Well done! Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc

 

Great information.

 

All, I find the thread interesting. I have never gone down the MSR road, but I do remember coming through the adds and articles it those days.
Thanks for the info.