Phoebus 625P Para/Kero or Petrol?

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  1. Doc Mark

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    Evening, Alan,

    Glad the info made sense. Your 625 looks great, and it's burning just the way it's supposed to! These stoves are built like the proverbial "brick shite house", and they work a treat. Not the most lightweight stove, of course, but the 625 would make an outstanding group stove, on any adventure. Your stove is powerful, controllable, reliable, and nice and quiet, too. What's not to love about the Phoebus 625? Add the fact that you can burn either paraffin, Coleman fuel, or petrol, and you've got quite a wonderful work-horse of a stove!! Great photos, Alan, and it's really fun to see you having such a good time with your new stove! Take care, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
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  2. spudz

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    AlanBiker,

    :shock: :!:
    Stop messin' about with the Devils Fuel, and use the fuel intended for your stove .... Petroleum. That's German for Kerosene / Paraffin .
    Jeeeez, it's written on the side of the bloody stove, where's the friggin' mystery. :o :o :o

    Paraffin !!
    Got that ?

    Nice flame though, ;) ;)

    Spudz
     
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    Hi, I thinks Doc's explanation is very clear and answers a question that arises periodically on the forum.

    I have had people say to me "I've burned Coleman fluid in an Optimus 45, no problem. Why are you so worried?"

    The essential point, as Doc points out, is that if you have a manual pressure relief valve, or chose to undo the filler cap whilst the petrol stove is pressurised, and there is a source of ignition, you are quickly in fireball territory.

    It is much, much safer to operate a petrol stove, which has been modified to run on Paraffin, such as a Phoebus 625P, on petrol, than it is to run any stove designed for kerosene operation, on petrol.
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    Hmm....
    If you've ever been to the Mid-East, especially Iraq you'll know a lot of people still use pressure stoves for cooking etc particulary outside towns and large cities. I wonder if the locals ran them on petrol instead of para/kero that would have let Blair/Bush off the hook on WMD front? ;)
    Anyhow, thanks for all the good advice :)
    Spudz, you are right para/kero from now on but I may try diesel too just to be difficult :twisted:
    Best wishes,
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    Hi, this is perhaps too basic to mention..... But here goes anyway;

    The Phoebus Military instructions say:

    " For filling the tank, unscrew the pump. The small bolt being opposite to the pump is a safety valve operating automatically, therefore any manipulation should be avoided"

    Hi Alan on the subject of the Middle East; many years ago I spent my youth in Syria, Iraq and Qatar. My father worked for Oil Companies.
    I well remember the paraffin stoves used by the Local people and they were fuelled with kerosene.
    We also used this fuel for cooking in our house. We had a Valor range, with two burners using large circular wicks and tall chimneys..... Ah.. I can still smell the paraffin vapour in my memories.
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    Beut stove there Alan
    Hmm one for the list of wishes.

    8)
     
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    If the stove ever blows up the tin is great for biscuits :) In fact my neighbours thought I'd brought as biscuit tin when I showed it them, he he
    Why do I have all these stoves and lamps????
    I must trim the fat a little......
    regards,
    Alan
     
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    Hi, here are some images of an ex-Military Phoebus 625 which I purchased from Germany a couple of years ago.

    The stove came in an unmarked aluminium can, but the shipping package also included this huge "Wok" holder and an extension section for the pump shaft.

    There was also a spare burner assembly and a selection of spare parts.

    Unfortunately the conventional Phoebus legs are not part of the deal!

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    The stove works well but needs double priming to ensure the burner is hot enough to vapouise the paraffin.

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    Hello, Kerophile,

    Great looking Phoebus 625! I really like the extended pump shaft, as that has always been one small complaint, of mine, about the 625. The regular "short-throw" pump shaft is not comfortable, at least not to me. I believe that Trevor has one like yours, in absolute mint condition, and maybe Rob (Evil) has one, too. Other than theirs and yours, I've never seen such a beast before! Great looking stove, and having the ability to use a huge pot, when cooking for a group, would be a real boon! Thanks for sharing your neat stove. Take care, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
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    Hi Doc
    You have a very good memory!!! |imgRemoved|

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    As you can see, I managed to get hold of some normal pan supports.
     
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    Phoebus 625 is a beatiful and well build stove.

    I have 5 of these, 3 pcs 625 P (kerosene) and 2 pcs. 625 petrol.

    Of these is petrol's in round red tin's and kerosene i square green tins.

    2 of the krerosene's and one af petrol's is virgins.
     
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    Howdy, Trevor,

    Yeah, that's the one I remember! Simply stunning, Mate!!! I really like the pump rod length, too. Much better conceived than the short rod on the standard stove. As to my many times faulty memory..... hey, even a blind pig can find an acorn, once in a while!! :shock: ;) :lol: Nice stove, Shag! Thanks for reposting the equally nice photo of it! Take care, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
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    At the risk of being attacked by a bunch of spirit-burning, cricket-playing Britons, might I suggest priming with Coleman fuel?
    ....Arch
     
  14. rik_uk3

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    No
     
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    Arch,

    What I suspect loquacious Rik is trying to say, is that it makes no diference. The paint on these stoves blisters and bubbles if you look sternly at them. Any heat at all in the depression will cause the paint to blister. Same problem with the Phoebus 725 and also with a cute little Juwel 34 I once had.
    In the end, I don't think it makes much difference, as I don't find these stoves to be 'pretty' in any way, purely practical, and so, who cares about a bit of a blister. If you want your 625 to remain in pristine condition, then don't light it, appears to be the requirement.

    However, Rik might also just mean 'No' !! ;) ;)

    Enjoy the Flame

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    Spudz, it was a simple question requiring a simple answer, your was longer than mine but the meaning is the same, as I'm sure Arch understood.

    PS I like your use of "loquacious " a nice word, although this can be over used, drawn out, but, like I said, a nice word, and I'm not one to let the water go under the bridge before giving credit where credit is due, so with that in mind, I'll say once again, "thank you Spudz for using the word loquacious "
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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You are welcome.

    Another late shift, or are you up for an early one ?

    brrrr ... it's a bit parky here this morning, light drizzle too, might just have a dusting of snow on the hills before the week is out.

    How are the knees ?

    Spudz
     
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    :?: What can you do?:

    Off with the original paint in the depression
    - and paint the depression and 1 cm around it with high temp silver or black painting
    - it will do without any blister. :lol: :lol:

    :idea: When you have paintet something with high temp painting and it has
    dried - you can temper it with heating to 300 degrees celsius 1 hour
    - then you get a painting which last much more.
    You can do it in the barbecue - WITHOUT ANY FUEL IN THE STOVE :roll: :roll:
     
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    I'm sure they are very nice stoves, but as I was kind of hinting, do you really have to repaint a new stove so that it doesn't damage the paintwork whilst in normal use ?

    Sounds like a design fault :cry:
     
  20. Salar and Stove

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    Yes - but only if you don't like blisters in the depression!