Rusty but Running

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  1. Rodger Willows

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    @Blackdog

    Thanks Chris!
    The pan ring immediately caught my eye.
    I've just posted to the Reference Gallery now too!
    I haven't put anything up here for a while, but there may be another (almost running) soon...
     
  2. Rodger Willows

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    Prior to my departure from Tasmania for warmer climes I shared this image with @Tony Press and we postulated what make/model of stove it was:

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    I thought that it was a Primus No. 2 and Tony concurred...

    I collected it on Thursday - the provenance was "Found it in the shed when we were cleaning up".

    I gave it some attention today - these images are after scrubbing with detergent:

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    "Max Sievert" roarer burner with lead attachments and a tattered flame ring:

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    It appears to have been the property of a plumber by the amount of lead and bituminous material deposited on it.

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    Since I have not previously possessed a Primus cast iron pan ring I've coveted them and now have several (my first is in my previous post):

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    "R 581" and "2" as well as several cracks....

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    "P" = 1926

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    Tank side inscriptions:

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    I was unable to remove the NRV despite soaking with Penetrene - my NRV removal tool is inadequate for the depth of the pump tube. It barely reaches it. The NRV was incompetent.

    I decided to partially fill the tank and attempt a firing:

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    The NRV incompetence necessitated constant pumping to achieve any flame output, so this is the best I was able to get:

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    And here is the "farewell" shot!

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    Further fettling to be continued at a later date...

    Oh, almost forgot - Neither Tony or I were correct in our assessment.

    It is (despite the overlying patina) definitely a:

    Primus No. 3 - 1926

    Thanks!
     
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    The Sievert burner is a good find as well, Rodger.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    Good afternoon gentlemen
    Been a while since there has been a post on this, one of my favourite threads .
    Found this Høvik Standard 36 a few months ago .
    Not a rare stove here by any manner of means
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    A bit bashed and buckled , lacking filler cap , burner cap and sadly a trilateral amputee.
    However the stove has a magnificent deep brown patina.
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    replaced the filler cap from my box of spares and took a burner cap from another stove.
    No pressure so I checked the NRV and found it was lacking the seal (pip), I replaced it.
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    A double prime and it fired up . Only thing I did otherwise was clear the jet with a pricker.

    Hung a kettle on a wire and it passed the brew test .
    I have always had problems with this type of burner/cap , all mine have a tendency to go into underburn . However I read on one of the forums that this type of burner / cap combination was not designed to be used without a pot or kettle . Since then I have always put a kettle on and have not had any consequent issues with the dreaded underburn . Any opinions on this theory ?
    Cheers Alastair
     
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    A very sensible theory. In fact, each burner was designed to work with a pot, so our collecting games of watching a nice flame, without pots, misses the designers' idea.
    Great job!
    Thank you very much for this post.:thumbup:
     
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    Really beautiful aged brass @A A C, and the tank inscriptions stand out so well in an unusal reversal- light lettering and graphics on a dark tank.

    One to treasure, not many have aged so interestingly! Are you going to attempt limb reattachment?
     
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    I am in two minds , I don’t have three extra legs to attach at the moment .
    I was playing with the idea of putting it into a «shelter» I have and using it as a car stove .
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    Something like this
     
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    Aha, good thinking!

    I can only agree about the special silent/UFO burner- I only have experience of a couple, but they are both a bit unnerving until they're properly at work, then the caps are at most a very dull red and often not glowing at all.
     
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    This arrived on my doorstep during the week. I only got around to taking a closer look this morning.

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    A Primus 41. It’s in better shape than it looks. The case is still sound, just the paint work has suffered over the past 70 years.

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    A bit of oil on the pump leather and a rinse of the tank later:

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    Much like me in the mornings it doesn’t like the idea of waking up…

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    …but it settled down after a minute or two:

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    -R
     
  10. Rodger Willows

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    Great job on a stove that I’ve hankered for!
    Do you “settle down after a minute or two”?!!!!!
    Thanks for bringing something new to this thread too!
     
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    Well not “new”, but certainly appropriate…
     
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    Thanks - I couldn’t believe my luck when this popped up at a very reasonable price. I think it came off an inshore boat down in Chichester. If so I think the case has done well to survive as it has.

    It takes me a bit longer and a coffee in the mornings. Thankfully this just needs time and will then provide coffee :-)


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    A beauty , well done saved another one ! Really pleased it settled down, looked a bit hairy for a second there :thumbup:
     
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    Great find @IRM, I'm sure your No.41 has seen some adventures in it's time. Good to seeing it running well in the 'as discovered' state!
     
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    Does Dusty but running count? The trouble with selling on ebay is you have money in an account and, if you sold well, the buying is a bit like not spending much at all! So I saw this late (post PTC - 1970's) Primus 210 for sale and with it was a brand new Optimus 200 burner and flame ring - a late "Made in Sweden" version. These seem to be NLA, although Indian copies are. Seemed a no brainer to buy a new genuine burner for less than the price for a repro one, and get a tatty "untested" stove thrown in! So I did.
    When it arrived, it was as bad as the pictures conveyed. I started the stopwatch and set about getting it running. Took about an hour - in which time I freed the NRV by prodding it; sloshed fuel in the fount and removed carbon, birds nests, WHY?; removed the jet and cleaned it a bit; found and fitted 3 pot supports; removed the burner, clearing carbon from it; oiled the pump leather; found I had no spare filler cap seals so fitted an O ring as well as the fossilized seal, re fashioned the flame ring; and closed some holes in the steel spirit cup with plugs of butyl tape! We were then ready for take off!

    It ran in an asthmatic kind of way and I think that spare burner may have been bought for a reason - although as I use it more, it does seem to be improving. I'll settle for "Roughly but Running."

    It needs a brass spirit cup, a filler cap seal, one of the leg sockets re-soldering, a new lead riser washer, a replacement keeper cap, probably a clean out of the burner tubes and a good general clean up, which has been started using "Hob Brite", a cream cleaner whose hazardous ingredients include citric acid, no less. Can I be bothered - these Primuses are not a patch on the Optimus 00's! 1000003036.jpg 1000003039.jpg 1000003040.jpg 1000003047.jpg
     
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    Probably the youngest stove on this thread so far @Dean, and even so a rusted out spirit cup. How standards slipped in those later years!

    I know what you mean. On the plus side, my stoves have been almost self-funding over the years, I've owned far more than I own, and I've saved an awful lot from being scrapped.


    When I was younger I used to to camp at a lot of steam fairs and folk festivals with a friend, Blacks tents and quite a few stoves and lamps between us. My sister wanted to come to a long weekend festival with us, so we told her the time we had to leave by. All our kit for the weekend was packed in the car ready on time, she was not. For a challenge, I set about completely overhauling a Tilley PL53, including making new seals, and just managed it in the 20 minutes between our 'absolute latest leaving time' and when she was finally ready. Said PL53 became our lighting for the weekend.
     
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    Definitely worth a post in the reference gallery!
    Nice one!

    Alec.
     
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    @Rangie - I have a few more photos to bulk out a reference gallery post. I’ll hopefully do so this week.


    -R
     
  19. Rodger Willows

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    Latest addition: Radius Ltd No: 17 - post 1939

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    As found:

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    Flame ring - Sweden and Radius opposite:

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    This is the "rusty" bit. Another case of make-do:

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    It's quite an impressive air-release screw:

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    Fettled and firing up:

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    Vapour leaking from the nipple/jet seat - flame within a flame photo:

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    Now we're cooking! Except there is a problem....

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    The "rusty" air release screw appears only have a slow leak at most (I didn't dunk-test)...

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    I held my kettle over it for a reasonable length of time and there was no "sooting".

    Now to re-solder that leg...

    Thanks!
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    My type of post @Rodger Willows . You can’t keep a Radius from working ! Good work :content::thumbup: