Soldering & Brazing

Discussion in 'Fettling Forum' started by Littledre, Dec 29, 2009.

  1. parramethtrol

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    :clap: :clap: excellent work Den, congrats mate now pour yourself a cold one you deserve it :thumbup:
    :-k or should i have said put the kettle on ;) :lol:
     
  2. Lance

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    i need you mailing addy lad. Put it in a PM to me and i'll be pleased to send off a proper pump.

    lance
     
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    Den,

    Very nicely fettled. Give yourself a pat on the shoulder and open a bottle....you deserve it :clap:

    Ron
     
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    Hi Bill, the first thing I did was make a brew on it, I am so pleased to see it running. Ron its late here but I have just cracked open a cold one to top of my celebrations. Lance you are a top geezer. :) Thank you Sir, I would have more chance seeing pigs fly than finding a PW pump over here.
     
  5. Lance

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    severl years ago the FAA Federal Avation Administration ruled that Vietnamese Pot Belly Pigs can fly on an airplane same as a pet dog. Off with you to Heathrow and be on the lookout.
    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
    lance
     
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    Hi Den
    Proper job. :clap:
    That's two running here in the UK. :)
    I was lucky mine came with a pump but it was squashed nearly flat. :frown:
    I used a bicycle pump until I sorted it.
    Took a while with the planishing hammer and a piece of bar in the vice to straighten it.
    The new leather washer cost a mint (relatively speaking) from basecamp, this was before I knew I could have got one from Sefa. :frown:
    We'll have to get them together at Newark 2010.
     
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    Will do Gary, I hope to have it in tiptop condition by then. My one was also missing the wire handle for the auxiliary burner but I have been given a drawing with sizes so I should be able to make one. Lance is sending me over a pump but it should arrive OK, I think its being bought over by a pot bellied pig ;)
     
  8. dday

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    Well Done Den. Your handiwork has also given me the confidence to test my skills at soldering. Can't wait to see her in tiptop condition when you get it done. Take care.
    Dan
     
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    This weekend I acquired a Prentiss Wabers Auto Cook Kit Camp Stove #8 that looks to be in a little better shape than the one that Den has been working on. There is a lot of rust on the outside of the case. I would like to repaint the case but do not know if that would ruin the value of this stove for a collector? If I did repaint the case what color was the original? The question may be academic since I plan for this stove to be a working stove. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks Paul B
     
  10. Lance

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    Paul these stoves (like Coleman suitcases) have no value (just my view) other than what you paid. For myself if there is a paint colour on the inside of the stove this is also the outside colour. But make yourself happy and do the unexpected, Paint it any colour which pleases you and your main squeeze.

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    I just got a Bernzomatic TS4000 myself, got it without a tank of fuel then picked up a "fat boy" tank of propane, but this torch can use MAPP too.

    I'm familiar with electronics soldering, with a soldering iron. I've done a ton of that. Torch soldering is interesting, the torch flame can burn your flux right away and then, well, it sux with no flux. Gotta heat the part/area and let the solder then do its thing. I have 63/37 electronics solder, 50/50 plumbing solder, some silver-bearing "metal work" solder bought at Home Depot like the torch, and a few sticks of Stay-Silv 15 which needs some real heat to melt, maybe MAPP gas and I dunno, borax is the only thing for flux I can think of .... I'm saving that for later.

    I can't seem to find the kind of silver solder that melts at 700 degrees F, I can only find stuff that melts at 500 or even 450, ugh. Should I try a plumbing supply for silver solder that melts around 700 degrees?

    I also have a Bernzomatic little butane torch that comes with a soldering iron tip too, I alternately love it and hate it, it's small and handy and has a fine little flame, but it's often balky to light when it's cold. If you're all civilized and don't spend a lot of time in a dwelling that's below 50 degrees F inside, you'll find this little handheld torch handy and fun.
     
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  12. Lance

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    FIC go to a welding supply house for your high temp sil-braze wire.

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    I'll do that, there's one really nearby that has a sign that says PLUMBING SUPPLY all made out of pipes,s that place has gotta be cool.
     
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    Last weekend, I got one of my PW running nice, but the other had a small leak on the tank seam bottom. After applying solder in a few places, there were more leaks, due to the solder was heated up in those areas? If you will take notice of the pics of the tank end cap that Littledre posted, two of the next to last three photos show the ridge on the cap that stops the cap from being inserted too far and a guide point I guess although the cap edge would accomplish the same. I have noticed numerous pin holes and finer holes on the ridge itself, not so much from the "joint". What caused this and how do I properly go about repairing the tank? I already concede I need to take the end cap off to clean up the area and to allow closer inspection of the ridge to see why it leaks.

    Duane
     
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    If i had to guess this is the result of moisture within or without the tank settling in this area causing the brass to corrode resulting in these pin-holes. you may need to use a fine soft flame and sil-braize the holes closed. If you don't feel this is possible take it to a radiator shop and have them soft solder the tank where these holes exist.

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    Thanks lance, there is a friend of a neighbor who I know does welding, not sure he can do this, doesn't hurt to ask. I was told also that I could maybe get some thin brass stock and solder over the ridge which I would hate to do as it wouldn't look too good. I didn't think this would corrode/rust out, but it makes sense, I just didn't want to believe it and it is in the area of the bottom. This is a cool tank as it has the pressure gauge. I'll check around, the stove wasn't much to get, hate to spend more than I got it for to fix.

    Duane
     
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    I learnt a lesson last week. I have a shinabro 00 tank that is threaded. So I decided to braise a riser on to it. Had it all sussed but while heating the riser on my hearth I foolishly must have rolled it onto some bits lead solder. Now I know that lead solder eats brass at braising temperatures. Back to the drawing board.
     
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    Ow! Not good, damaged it that fast?
     
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    FIC, check with a hobby shop that has jewelry supplies, they've got some right decent silver solder as well, and with enough silver in it to be worthwhile!

    I'd get the solder that'd melt @ 900-1100 deg, worked better for making firearm parts, and hot blueing salts won't touch it.

    I've the same little Bernzomatic butane torch you do, but in winter, I use the catalytic flame soldering head with the thin needle mounted, and use it for thawing out frozen locks in winter! :idea:

    Get out of my car, H'lo, I'm the locksmith, thaw out the door lock, a little Break-Free in the keyhole afterwards, that'll be $50, and off to the next car. :shock:

    Make a decent quid, I do, on a cold winter day! :content:

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  20. hikerduane

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    Uh, check my recent questions Murph.:)

    Duane