I recently came across a Svea 123 (not the 'R' version, but the original design with the angled valve stem) and after all manner of tweaking to get it to produce a nice even blue flame I've reached the conclusion that the issue is most likely a bad jet. I thought replacement jets would be easy to find but, alas, it seems the original 123 jets are no longer manufactured. I tried the usual shopping points - A&H, Base Camp,our own Fettle Box and of course that evil auction site. No luck. Does anyone have a source for jets for these old stoves? It is in otherwise great condition and I hate to relegate it to the spares box. Thanks in advance! Brian
Base Camp has the 123 jet listed as part number 2502. Mike lists parts by Optimus or Primus number. When in doubt it's always best to send him an email inquiry. Shirlene at A&H has parts not listed on the web site. Ask her if she has a 2502 jet.
Hi Brian, There is an ebay site called Hootflipflop&fly @ Kibworth DIY, they sell primus jets in lots of 5, they're probably the 0.32mm size for the 2 pint stoves. I bought 3 jets from another ebay site called 'The old Ironmonger.' Somewhere in my literature, I noticed that's the quoted size for my Optimus 80, I've tried one in the Primus 70 which Stu has kindly fixed for me which works fine. If you feel you'd rather try one first, PM me & I can send you one from my 2 pint military Burmos spares kit. Best wishes=John. --------------------- If in doubt, brew up.
John, Thanks. I'm going to give A&H a shot first since they are on this side of the pond. Today is a national holiday in the US so I don't think I'll hear from them for a few days, but I'll give the eBay hint you provided a look. Brian
OK, I have to now go on the record as possibly posting incorrect data. Mike has them listed as 2502 jets. I tried a 2500 jet I bought from A&H plus a kero jet I took out of an Opti roarer last week and they seem to fit the 123 fine. Standby while I flame test... Maybe one of the site experts will check in soon.
I'm back from my experiment. Even though the 2500 jets seem to fit fine and the size and aperatures appear identical to the jet that was installed in my 123 they burned with a serious off centered flame with some yellow. I'd try to find a 2502 jet. Copied from Base Camp site: 2502: Nipple .32mm for 1, 5, old 5R, 45, 48, 80, 123,
Brian, There's a clue with Ray's post of the transcript of Base camp's listing for the #2502 jet, the first 5 stoves listed are kerosene stoves, should mean that the jets listed on ebay UK are a safe bet, Best wishes=John. --------------------- If in doubt, brew up.
I purchased a 15 piece kit from the UK as well, but for 1/2 that price earlier this year (can't remember the seller's name). I test fitted one of the 2 jets to one of my 123 and it fit fine, but I did not fire it (was testing for sizes, as the seller did not know for sure which stove model they fit). I did test fire one of the spares in both a 71 and a Radius 42 and worked great (blue flame). The 71 is now fitted with one of the spares, the 2nd I still have and use it for fitting/sizing only at this point. I will test fire her in a 123 today to see if she runs as well. I have not ordered any from Basecamp.
Thanks all! The reason I missed the Base Camp listing is because they have it listed as a 'nipple'. That old English to American translation issue...
fyi - I swapped jets on the 123 with the remaining spare from the 15 piece kit , primed and lit her - ran fine, burned blue, no problems.
OLD POST. 25-05-09 07:59 AM - Post#112585 JET SIZES for popular classic brass stoves. The majority of 1,1.75 and 2-pint classic brass stoves, such as the Primus Nos.210,1,5 and Optimus 00,1,45,48,5 etc.(and their equivalents) use a jet with an aperture of 0.32mm diameter (about 13 thou). Optimus and Primus No.96 and No.100 stoves, with lipstick burners, use a jet aperture of 0.23 mm (about 9 thou). Of course the cross-sectional area of the aperture increases with the square of the radius. Most small petrol stoves, without built-in cleaning needles ( No.71, 80 and 123) use the smaller, 0.23mm aperture. Now, why didn't someone write that down somewhere? Best Regards, Kerophile.
Hey, Kerophile!! Great to see you popping up for a visit again!! You are so very right, about this information, and so much more, being easily found right here at CCS. Yet, far too many folks don't seem to want to dig around to locate these gems of education! Thanks, once more, for "reminding" everyone of this valuable information, and YES, all people interested in stoves should make a note of this info, if they have not already done it. Thanks, again, George! How have things been doing up your way? Any recent fishing, or boating, adventures? Regards to you and yours, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Mark
That's all well and good, but many of us don't have a measuring device accurate to such small sizes as jet apertures, even measuring jet thread sizes can be challenging (+/- .5 mm) without such a tool. And as indicated above, user experience may vary depending on the source of the jets and their methods of inserting/model of stove. Doesn't help that the seller of these jets may not even know what stove they support either (in both ebay instances they did not) so it's no surprise there is a bit of confusion and resultant questions around this. And I would not say it's 'easy' to find on the CCS site - some things are, some things not. When in doubt ask and others will help, as in this case and going forward.
Hi, SMolson, Your point is well taken, and true, in many cases. However, from where I sit, it seems that far less people who might buy a stove, actually want to learn much about it, other than having someone tell them how to fix it. Other than that, they have little interest in learning for themselves. This morning, for instance, I was looking for an email address for a Old Timer here at CCS, and ran through a huge file envelope of such information. I was actually surprised to see just how many people to whom I've sent information, or parts, didn't actually stick around to become part of the CCS family, and also how many of our Old Timer members, who WERE a part of the family, are no longer around here. There were others, of course, who not only stuck around, but have become the current "Old Timers", themselves, and they are now teaching others from all the great information and experience they gained right here. I guess my point was, and remains, that less folks these days seem deeply interested in learning about stoves, and more want to fix the few they own, with the least possible learning needed to accomplish it. Do I sound like an Old Curmudgeon? In closing, I remember a guy who showed up here, a long time ago, and could NOT get his 111B running, no matter how much we tried to help him. I finally offered to fix it myself, and he sent it to me for repair. The problem was, mostly, very easy to fix, but he had simply not even taken the time to try most of what was being told him by then current CCS members. Also, he needed a part that I did not have in stock, and so I removed a known good part from one of my own stoves, and using that part, and doing all the other things that is considered regular maintenance here at CCS, got his stove running like brand new. After returning it to him, I didn't even get a "thank you" for my efforts, and he was never seen again here at CCS. So, until I found a NOS supply of the part I'd given off my own stove to fix this guys 111B, my own stove sat idly, unable to be used. Not whining, here, just pointing out how things went. Today, my own old 111B is also running like new, once I installed the part I'd given. In my files, there are lots of people just like this 111B owner, and there seem to be more all the time. Doesn't quell my own enthusiasm for this site, nor it's outstanding contributing members, many of whom are dear friends, though. And, for that, I'm happy as a clam and blessed. For what it's worth.... Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Hi Doc, I well remember the help and advice you've given me as well as the help and advice of the other members here. It's kind of strange isn't it that folks from across the globe can be good friends, even though some of us have widely differing political opinions and such. If I've ever neglected to thank any of the CCS family for knowlege, parts, or advice I've received, I'm sorry, and here it is: Thank you all! I've gotten knowlege, advice, parts and freindship and I am eternally grateful for them all. I have so enjoyed the give and take, especially the coffee and spam threads. I go back sometimes and read them just for the good natured humor in them, like I see in many postings here, It's always Great Fun, and Thanks again. Gerry
Hey, Thuggy, My friend, you have given as good as you've got, and that is really what CCS is all about, IMHO. Thanks for being a solid contributing member here for such a long time, and please keep posting your fun posts here! I'm also still waiting for "the book" to be published, or Thuggy's Infamous Stories and activities!! Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Hi George, Nice to hear from you. Long time since we saw each other. Would love to see you again. What about Newark 2014? I'll bring the medicine! Best wishes mate - Steve.
Hi Doc, I agree with your posting, and Lord knows I had no idea I'd end up where I am now based on my first initial query regarding my Grandfather's stoves. I just find it a little repetitive and a bit rude (I'm Canadian after all...) when I read others respond with a short and frank 'Do a search for FILL IN THE BLANK' and all your questions will be answered (but granted, they did respond...). Well, I've been on that end of it, and they all won't be. One can spend hours looking and not find what it is they are seeking (but in the process often learn a whole lot about other stuff). Part of the problem is that there are so many different proper names to id the same part, language barriers, tool names, etc it's easy to get frustrated, especially with only the 1 basic keyword search option available. Add that to time constraints more people have to deal with these days and the lack of basic 'fixing' skills and you end up with this kind of issue. I've learned tons from this site, from both past threads and in real-time. Some of this knowledge (and newly sourced tools/skills) has provided me to branch out and work on my Rover and save myself $100/hr in garage fees (and not blow up my car!). I also have an MGB I'm now willing to take on, but that's going to have to wait. That aspect alone is worth the price of admission, regardless of whether one continues their stove hobby. I know it can be frustrating at times to help a fellow out with their problem remotely. One's energy/time taken up with posting images, descriptions, troubleshooting techniques, etc. Not getting the desired or full attention of the recipient to match your own. I've been an IT Consultant long enough to be exposed to this all too frequently. There really is no solution, as each person is different, their motivation, skill level, understanding, etc can all play for or against you. You just have to go with the punches and help out when/how you can and hope they will do the same to others. Throughout all this you learn a lot too, so it's not just a one way street. So that's how I look at it.
Evening, SMolson, Thank you for your very kind post. I appreciate your words, and understand from where you are coming. Of course, I am always ready to help a New Stovie in need, but I do have at least some expectations that they also wish to help themselves. I see less of that, than I used to, both here, and in real life. An odd conundrum, no matter how you slice it, eh?! Thanks, again, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
