This post is getting a bit crazy! @Stanisław Grajewski's stove does have the star, look carefully at the very last photo in the original entry. Here it is zoomed in, look just anticlockwise from the top of the '1', the impress is rather feint but it is there: On this Nicola I suspect you are rather over-thinking the matter. The re-cycling of out of date images is a known problem with many stove and trade catalogues, but it can be taken account of. In any case the images were often never precise in the first place. Note in this instance, for example, how some of the 1915 images may appear to show the late '20s/30s font, but only because they had been simplified for clarity. Often the spare parts lists can be more up-to-date than the main illustrations. The key is to compare earlier and later catalogues with the one in question. The fact that the 1924 catalogue shows the tubular silent burner may well indicate that it remained available for longer than most of us suspected. Note that the tubular roarer burner is not shown in 1924, maybe that helps explain why tubular roarers are so much rarer than tubular silents. Note also that when tubular roarers and cross roarers were both offered in parallel with each other Svea showed that clearly in their price and model lists. I suspect that there is a lot more to be gleaned from the 1924 catalogue than we have had time to digest at present. Ian
@igh371 Hi Ian, don’t misunderstand me. I think that every piece of doc, as well this 1924 catalog, is a wonderful and great resource. I agree with all you say. I was just saying that it’s not a good reference for the graphic as more recent catalogs can be. If I am surprised to see that the tubular burner was available in mid 20s is because I though that in those years the silent burner evolved to a 2 piece caps like on early primus and then to more common silent like on 25 and 26 models. I am not sure about anything and I am happy to be surprised by everything. For stoves I am like a baby in a candy shop Nicola
@igh371 Ian, after all this talking, I just want to understand if you are still sure to date the Stanislaw 1* 1924 circa as for this catalog image as you wrote in your first message. I consider you one of the most expert here about stoves so for me your words are like the Bible. Thanks, Nicola
There is a star, no doubt. Here you are - two pictures ( formerly I had bad photo conditions, sorry.)
Thank you for the extra photos Stanislaw. You can be sure from the discussion above that you have a very rare and interesting stove! Despite an element of uncertainty about its exact date of manufacture, I think it can definitely be said to be the oldest internal NRV Svea No.1 currently known here on CCS Nicola, I'm as intrigued by the potential date of this stove as you are. I had assembled a sequential timeline of key changes for the pre-WW2 Svea stove model ranges, but precise date points have always been sparse. The emergence of the 1924 catalogue has forced me to the conclusion that the dropping of the classic Svea external NRV model range after WW1 happened much less abruptly than I had imagined. It now seems clear that many external NRV models, not just the 15s and 16s, were still available at least as late as 1924. Almost inevitably that also seems to push into the early 1920s, the date when the mainstay No.1 and No.5 models were converted to internal NRV pump format. It would certainly seem odd if changes made in 1918-1920 were still being described as 'new' in 1924, so balance of probabilities based on existing evidence may now lie closer to 1923/4. Ian @Stanisław Grajewski @Nicola Francesco Elia @OMC
Thank you, @Stanisław Grajewski, @igh371 & @Nicola Francesco Elia for pointing out my error. I could not see the star in Stanislaw’s original photos, but can see it now. Apologies for the misleading post. Best regards Tony
