Trangia Bottle - NOT for Gasoline?

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  1. Rangie

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    @Jeopardy , go for it, great bottles, good pourers, I keep my one in my rucksack with Naptha for my 8R/M1950 :thumbup: :content:

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    Yesterday I was in my local 'Go Outdoors' outlet (probably the largest outdoor gear retailer in the UK).
    I looked at their Trangia fuel bottles. They must sell thousands of these every week.
    Here is a photo I took of one of their bottles.

    Trangia Bottle.jpg

    Obviously petrol/gasoline is safe in these bottles.

    I believe that the removal of 'and gasoline.' is a peculiarity of the often over-safe US administration.
    I have stored Coleman Fuel/Aspen/Panel Wipe in Trangia bottles for years with no problems.
     
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    +1

    No reply yet from LM about what they used to block the words.
     
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    Hi,

    Who are you supposed to believe, itchy? I live in California, and have been reading that "Prop 65" warning for years. It includes possible birth defects along with the cancer warning.

    So I've been using a number of those dangerous products for quite a while, trying and trying to get a birth defect from one, and no joy! Maybe there's an age limit on getting birth defects? I'm disappointed. (Is there a sarcasm emoticon somewhere?) :(

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    There is a place somewhere in between where information is good but the social engineering of control is gone. That's a place I like.
    A place where the decision is NOT made by someone, at a desk, uninformed, and without any experience of the topic, and based purely on FEAR.
     
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    Liberty Mountain replied to me. I will continue to use the bottle.
    In the US, I would suggest you buy these, if you can, see the comment by the rep, at the end????

    It is still unclear if we will be getting replacements soon or not.

    Ken in NC
    CPSC ... https://www.cpsc.gov/ .... United States CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY COMMISSION
     
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    I think it is a matter of fuel bottles getting caught up in the regulations for portable gas cans for automobiles. Unfortunately as people become more stupid, we apparently need more rules to protect them from themselves, especially with gasoline. A quick internet search found some US regulations that might apply. (But if the container doesn't say it is for gasoline, then that is different. In the US, there is also a requirement, maybe DOT, maybe from the state, that gasoline containers are red.):

    Child Resistant Cap: In 2008, President Bush signed the Children's Gasoline Burn Prevention Act, requiring that portable gasoline containers manufactured for sale in the U.S. on or after January 17, 2009 adhere to certain child safety requirements. With that law in effect, gasoline joined charcoal lighter fluid, torch fuel and turpentine on the list of flammable substances whose containers are mandated to have child-resistant closures.

    Label the Can: The Federal Hazardous Substance Act requires certain containers to alert consumers of the possible dangers that the contained product may pose. Accordingly, fuel cans must display proper warning labels to alert consumers of the potential hazards.

    Automatic Closure Spout: An automatic closure spout must automatically return to a closed position when not engaged for pouring. In addition, cans manufactured after the January 1, 2009 compliance date do not have secondary vent holes. These changes lessen chances for spillage.


     
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    I have noticed that the safety warnings on msr bottles have been made a lot more obtrusive lately
    do I really need a large skull and crossbones staring at me when I light my stove? on a nice Sunday perambulation damp this predictive text knows more fancy words than I do

    i can report that putting meths in an msr bottle did not work out for me it was meant to be temporary but i forgot
    i should have read the safety warnings
     
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    Bought new this week - 1l bottle not for 'gasoline', the 0.3l one is. Perhaps that is why the confusion?

    I wish I hadn't bought them.
    The 1l one, when you tip and pour (assuming you are slowly filling a tank for a minute) , some fuel leaks down the white thread and ends up coming out on the knob. This just happened to me on first use with paraffin.
    The 0.3l I got for meths priming, it didn't start coming out of the white thread but I only had it pouring for a few seconds to fill priming cup.

    When I finished and had them normal way up, I tightened knob down on both. Tipping them upside down again, all the fuel that was trapped in the threads etc then comes out everywhere through the black nozzle. Both containers did this, rubbish!

    Surely this isn't normal??
     
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    @richud
    What I believe happened is that you got a 1 L bottle after they changed the writing. The .3 L is from before the change in writing. I was told they are changing the writing to meet new US guidelines for child safety.
    I still believe they are safe for gasoline, but this reduces the liability to the company.

    Have you tried to relieve the pressure in the bottle before you tip it over by pushing down on the top?
    More on the leak, I am not sure. All 6 or 7 of mine are fine, and do not do that.

    Ken
     
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    @snwcmpr maybe, I thought it was perhaps because the 1l bottle having a larger diameter can take a lot less pressure than the narrower bottles.

    Just done some more testing, same on both;
    Unscrew knob, invert both, no leaks.
    Unscrewed knob, hold horizontally, press knob, fuel comes out, fuel leaks onto white thread. (rubbish!)

    Screwing knob in, there seems to be an amount then caught up in mechanism that you have to shake out inverting bottle several times over container to get it all out. (rubbish!)
     
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    For anyone who is interested - I just watched a youtube video about someone using a Trangia bottle and you could see it leaking as well... (2:58 can see white plastic glistening with liquid after pressing it and pouring). At 3:36 can see its leaked down around black plastic


    Seems it is a design flaw - I then happened upon this video with someones solution using a rubber o-ring to seal it a bit at the top
     
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    We put an extra O-ring on them up here - never seen a problem then...
    Best fuel storage bottle there is IMHO /Odd
     
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    Unscrew lock, press down to release/equalize pressure. Then tilt and pour.
    Does it still leak?
     
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    i have a love/hate w/the Trangia bottles - i use them (mostly 1L) primarily for alcohol (meths)... if the bottle has been warmed or in the sun, do NOT have your face above the spout when you depress to pour - i've had a good shot of alcohol spurt out a foot or more in this situation - i find the spout mechanism to be problematic - not my favorite - for refilling larger containers, i unscrew the entire spout and remove to pour...

    willie
    on the stinking hot Gulf of Mexico
     
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    Interesting comments.
    I now think there may be justifiable reasons for the writing change. Apparently some users have had spillage/leaks. And with gasoline those leaks can be a problem. (But, alcohol would be prone to the same problem)
     
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    Both of mine have the leak. Might try the o ring.
     
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    Do you all that have the leak release/equalize the pressure in the bottle before you tilt the bottle and pour?
    I do not have the leak.
     
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    Yes. Mine seem to leak when pouring the last third of the fluid, when it is tilted more from the horizontal.
     
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    @snwcmpr , I just tried your pressure release method and my two bottles did not seem to leak. I even poured one completely out of fuel to try to duplicate my earlier leak, but it did not occur. Hmmm.....