Want to know what this stove is, and is it worth restoring

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  1. Fred Jordan United States

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    Got this from my father; he probably got it 30 years ago and intended to restore it; and he never did.
    Was hoping someone could identify it or tell me where to look for markings and if it os worth restoring.
    See the two pictures below.
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    Clean the rust off see if it holds pressure The tank might match a modern propane bottle but if the burner is perforated it could be difficult to fix. Any luck a coat of paint and new burner plate is all it needs
     
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    I thought it was a No1 burner, the British Army use, but not, by the looks of it, it does use petrol, and you need a hand pump to pressure it
     
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    Just a few thoughts...

    Trust @gieorgijewski on this. And look for the ID plates he shows.

    This is a German WW2 stove, so likely to have some value. Presumably brought home by a soldier.

    Yours has an air release screw, unlike gieorgijewski's. That means yours needs kerosene not gasoline/coleman fuel.
     
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    air screw is typical for external pump from 30 ties

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    about fuel
    no - because it is germans vehicle stove - it runs on vehicle fuel - mean - gasoline.autofuel
    not diesel etc/
     
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    @gieorgijewski

    If you have a look at the top picture, there is a hex head bolt in a sleeve braised to the edge of the tank (left in that photo). It has the same patina as the rest of the stove.

    Your stove does not have this feature.

    I can't think of any other reason for that bolt other than as an air bleed screw, something that would not exist on a gasoline/petrol/autofuel stove.

    My guess (very much a guess) is that this particular stove was for a vehicle that ran on diesel.
     
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    I'm impressed with the stove forensics you guys are going back and forth about.

    Ben
     
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    An easy way to empty the tank.
     
  10. gieorgijewski

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    half true
    below is my stove - too


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    I very much appreciate everyone's info here. This is very helpful.
    I was able to find what looks like a tag that really only says 1943; beneath one of the bottem handels.
    And if you look at the bottem plate beneath the two knobs; is what appears to be instructions?
    Printed in German.

    I'm still a little confused as to weather to use gas or Kerosine, and maybe the translated German instructions would tell.
    I have cleaned the plate with the instructions with water, been afraid to use acetone or distilled alcohol to do better cleaning for fear of removing what lettering is there.
    Unless you guys know of a better/safer way to clean the instructions.
    Thanks VERY much,
    Fred

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    Hello Fred @Fred Jordan

    Whereas I can't read the entire instructions text on your photo, the very first line clearly mentions "Otto-Kraftstoff", which means Gasoline.

    Edited to add: I guess I spoke too soon. Manipulating the picture in a graphics program, I can read a little more now. At the beginning of the second line, there is the word "Petroleum", meaning kerosene in German.

    It seems to start with something like:

    In Betrieb setzen: (= putting into operation)

    Tankverschluß abschrauben, [hardly readable number with fraction] Ltr. Otto-Kraftstoff oder(?) besser(?) Petroleum durch Siebtrichter einfüllen, Tank zuschrauben. (=unscrew tank lid, fill in ... liter of gasoline or better kerosene through sieved funnel, close tank)

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    Best regards,

    Christina
     
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    The edit time is just too short.

    At an online aution site, I found a picture where the instructions are better readable. They actually start with:

    This translates to:

    This means it was meant to primarily run on gasoline, but could possibly also run on kerosene, if gasoline was unavailable.

    Best regards,

    Christina
     
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    I wonder, Christina, if it is "Ersatz Petroleum": artificial kerosene? Made in Germany during WW2, from coal.

    Not that that alters the overall meaning.
     
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    @Scrambler:

    Not knowing much about coal liquefaction, my impression is that there generally was a much greater need for and shortage of gasoline in Germany during the war, needed for aviation as well as ground vehicles, than for kerosene (jet aviation still in experimental stages). If the instructions meant to imply artificial kerosene, it should have been spelled as "Ersatz-Petroleum" (hyphenated) or "Ersatzpetroleum" (one word) in German.

    I'd guess that when this stove was manufactured, shortage of gasoline was already a widely known problem, so that device was built to possibly use an alternative, for which there might have been less of a shortage.

    But having been born much later, I'm no expert on that time...

    Best,

    Christina
     
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    Christina,
    Can you send me a link where you saw a better picture of the instructions?
    I would probably try to get them translated for me to go by.

    And thanks very much to you and really everyone who has replied.
    I plan to start real soon of=n restoring this.
    Fred
     
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    As I've just written to @Fred Jordan , I'd rather not post a link to a page where I found more images of the instructions, let alone deep links to the pictures, as I am not sure whether the site would be fine with that. But using the terms "Kraftstoff Heizkocher 1943" in a web search, for me, it was the first hit.

    Still, the text had to be pieced together from several images that show different parts in different angles. Even as a native speaker of German, I found it difficult to read. But apart from about three words that are either unreadable or obstructed on all the pictures, I think I have it complete. In my understanding, the three missing words can be inferred from the context. I have indicated these passages with question marks below, to make clear what I couldn't completely read on any image, but guessed.

    These seem to be the German instructions:

    Obviously, I take no liability for errors.

    Maybe we can develop a proper English translation on CCS. I'm not sure about a simple Google translate, but I might be able to check an English translation against the German original.

    Best,

    Christina