My stove DOES have the multilingual (5 languages) text near the filler port. I hadn't noticed the model number, but after looking at it in our bright Arizona sunlight, I see "SVEA 5", hardly visible under all of the "patina..." I was hoping to try pressurizing the stove W/ my 111B pump, but no go! SVEA 5 uses a larger diameter pump (which I don't have). I can see the NRV inside of the pump well.
I'm not likely to find the parts to get this stove operating... SO, looks like someone out there could use a part or 2 from it. Please advise what you'd like!
Late: thank you for the updated detail . ------------------- I standby: whenever possible buy complete stoves (re function anyway) and you may still decide to "let it be free". That said, re your "... not likely to find the parts to get this stove operating ... " Making and attaching a leg ... plenty collectors do not (yet) have have skill level to pull that off (or.. put that on!). There's that . Otherwise, if you didn't already know, the swedish makers of 2 pinters (ie Primus, Optimus, Radius, Svea) the parts are very much swappable/compatible, so, a functional pump asm for example should not be all that hard to source. As subscriber you can place a wanted ad on this site for parts (or place ad to sell the Svea 5). At the moment I don't have pump freed up to send you. good luck either way
Thanks for your encouragement! I could fashion a leg from some steel rod (Ace HDWE) and braze it into place. I suppose that if I could rig up some kind of air pump to the pump port and pressurize the tank (hoping NRV hold pressure...). I'll measure the thread size and see if I can "jury-rig" something to adapt to the pump port. BUT then to get a burner for this oldie!
At the very least, I'll need the burner ring (Bell?) and the pump. I've not taken the stove apart to check on the condition of other parts. A friend is machining an NRV tool for my 111B and (hopefully) it will serve to remove the NRV in my SVEA 5. My plan is to try to fire it up W/ minimal Fettling (Can't stop using that word!) and then install whatever gasket or seal as needed.
The flame ring is not necessary to getting the stove going. So a test run without is doable. And it is definitely able to be purchased as a new replacement- there are only a few sizes (3?) Does the 111b pump plunger fit the Svea? Again, remember these parts were made in only a small number of sizes so if function is the goal, you will certainly find something to do the job.
Having just checked out your photo it looks you need a pump assembly, an inner and outer burner cap, probably a replacement NRV, perhaps a new jet for the burner and a leg. Also a top trivet. Peter
The #5 Pump port is 17mm inside diameter Vs. the 111b W/ but 13.75mm... As for the #5, I can see the NRV inside the Pump well, so it might just need Fettling. I agree W/ Peter as far as parts required to even get this Kerosene stove to fire, maybe not worth the effort. My limited experience is W/ stoves running White Gas! I do appreciate all of the ideas and clarifications posted by members. Steve
Sorry to hear the test option didn't work for size. If running is the issue, rather than historic accuracy, I would look to see if you can get compatible parts from India. Brass kerosene stove 1 Liter parts Pump Burner | eBay This is only one of a number of sellers. You could get a whole new stove for pocket change. OK, a large pocket. You will need to check the dimensions with the seller. There are also historic parts places that will stock parts, but whole pumps would not be a big seller.
I think it's very easy to get this one going: just private message me an address and I'll send you the parts you need (except the leg, which I don't have). All the rest I have a decent stash of. Oh, and only run this one on kerosene! Peter
I'll pull out the parts and send them over to you - I have what you need. Except, you'll need to fashion a leg - at least you have two of the three as models! Peter
I have a friend who is an experienced Blacksmith. With all of his tools and a forge, making the leg should be easy. If he doesn't have the proper bending tool, he can make one!
bump @Knee your comment [trivet] It made me confident that mine Svea 5 is actually from the 1930s. A focus on tank details should also be inline with the year estimate for your "Svea No.5". -------- Returning discussion to Svea 1 (&5) dating topic. Tank focus. Knee's 5 maybe is 1930s (maybe not). Primus 1 & 5 tank development was in lock step throughout the production run (credit abbahco). So far, it seems same is true for Optimus 1 & 5 and probably true for Svea 1 & 5. Enter Svea catalogs and note re catalogs: "...details ...sourced from catalogs. ...we know they're imperfect. IE always mindful that outdated images might be in-use etc. etc.. Aware, while catalog parts lists are imperfect, those lists are a most/more reliable source for details (vs brochures, pics, diagrams etc.)." Re recessed / sunken filler (Svea 1 & 5 only): a little back track, Stanislaw's Svea No.1 ✮ (number one "star") was associated w/newly posted 1924 Svea catalogue . The "star" model, it turns out is also present in 1930's Svea Brochure [we might rethink that catalog to early 1930s?]. In the '24 catalog and that 1930s catalog there is, so far, zero presence of recessed / sunken filler. Sunken filler is purely a "tank detail" (no PN to check and stoves are not dated), it is an elusive dating detail. 1934 Svea Catalogue No:933 making a rare exception for myself, I'm posting images from (subscriber section) 1934 catalog (site can delete these 2 pics, a-ok), no.1 and no.5 This, for me, appears to be the earliest dating of Svea 1 & 5 recessed filler (so, "by 1934").. It is not abundantly clear in the pics but it appears to me 1 & 5 show the sunken filler. Both images are front-facing and 1 & 5 show multi-language on the front side. so that is what i find as "by 1934-on". Hold that thought (corrections encouraged). ------------- I've reread this discussion, and still not clear how to identify the version after by 1934-on? re 1963: Ben's Svea No. 5 - late production? unfired, quite complete w/instr. 52020. 7. 63. It is stamped "SVEA 5" (not "SVEA No. 5") which is for the moment the only difference that occurs to me, differentiating it from prev,. ver. . 63 instr. does not rule out this may be same version from 1950s. Tentative bookends for this version: by 1934-on -to- into 1950s ...or thru 1950s ?, or into early 1960s ? (corrections encouraged). This is tank detail focus. Trivet alone are non/less reliable indicators. (re trivets: Svea trivets 964 & 1877, pressed steel ) . 1500 views
above re 1963 is noted. It is Ben's 1963 detail (it's 1963 for now), that results in suggesting tentative bookends: by 1934-on -to- into 1950s ...or thru 1950s ?, or into early 1960s ? (corrections encouraged). ^^^ that from 1963 detail. ------------------------- I would also like to note re 1958 the same way. "I've been thinking" Geoff's w/instr. 52020. 1. 58 may also be stamped "SVEA 5" (not SVEA No. 5") on top ? @Geoff Holloway It's been my view for now, this "SVEA 5" (or not) w/'58 instructions: is currently a crucial dating puzzle piece. Corrections encouraged, thanks again.
catalog shows "by 1956" (mid 50s, early 50s?, late 40s?) Sievert had made some changes. The changes (then) do not, yet, relate directly to the Svea 1 & 5 tank details. ----------------------- re 1958: Geoff's Svea No.5, i find it is a "SVEA 5" w/instr. 52020. 1. 58 This DOES help define year ranges. It is my "guess" that Geoff's example is a match to what shipped in '58. HOWEVER, I'm also aware... if '63 was the next ver. of instr.... If so, a late 1962 would have shipped w/58 instr. . Geoffs might be a 62 (or 61, 60, 59, 58) and it's possible the prev. version was still shipping-out in 1958 (pre-1963). His stove as shown is indicative of '58 but this DOES NOT confirm Geoff's is from '58. Having the '58 "Svea 5" example and seeing it is a match to Ben's, DOES confirm Ben's "Svea 5" link represents the version that was being shipped in the "early 60s". We do not, yet, know how many years earlier this version began nor how many years later it lasted. More: > earlier?... Indicators are, this same version began earlier (1950s, late 50s, mid 50s [by 56] ) > later?... this version could have lasted into late 60s, with caveat: the suggestion that this version is NOT a match to the last 1 & 5 "Sievert" 1969/70 version (last ver. w/o multi-language on front ?). corrections encouraged, thx. ---------------------------------- My own current interest is help to better define 1920s - 1960s but... BTW c.1970 the Svea 1 & 5 are very different from predecessors. 1970 they are exact match (aside from text/packaging) to the Optimus c. 1970 Svea 1 & 5 production commenced at Optimus factory. Sievert factory closed. cc: @Ben Hall
Thank You @OMC . This od my stove Svea 5 I worded the comment wrong. I was referring to the trivet itself, which I wasn't sure about (due to the silver paint job). Thank you very much for the links to the reference library. I appreciate your help.