Discussion in 'Stove Forum' started by ArcticStoves, Dec 4, 2019.
Uh, sorry. Old timers mind again.
Hm, for an remote northern town I am not sure we have Bar Keeper's Friend...
However, I am leaning hard towards going the Trangia 25 HA route, so perhaps not necessary!
For what you have described, I think you will like the HA. Just remember that the frying pan is definitely not non stick. I just replaced my 25 HA frying pan with non stick, so now I have the option of carrying either.
And - as anodizing is an acidic process you should never use dishwasher detergent, ammonia or similar on HA parts.
Thanks All, some good tips!
What common (non toxic!) household products can be used to safely clean off alcohol fuel blackening on the pot bottoms on HA pots?
The anodizing is a thick aluminum oxide layer that could indeed be damaged by acid, but should be pretty much impervious to anything else apart from aggressive abrasives. Not sure I’d run it through the dishwasher but it probably wouldn’t hurt it either. I leave the blackening on the pot bottoms, I consider it earned patina. It’s a badge of pride for me.
Hm, I have had stove blackening ending up on the inside of pots when using 2 stacked pots on the Meta-50; I suppose I will have to watch which is the lower or 'outside pot' for which it is ok to have some blackening on the bottom, rather than the inner pot...
Still, is there a way to get the blackening off without taking the HA off as well? I have been using dishwasher detergent and soaking in hot water, is this out with HA?
Hm, methinks an argument in favour of a T25 in Duossal!!!
The anodizing is more durable than plain aluminum so I would not hesitate to put a a scouring pad to it. I went for the duossal figuring it would be more durable over the long term and I think it cooks surprisingly well. I’m very impressed with the set. Get a second burner for long cooks so you don’t have to wait for it to cool before adding fuel.
Hm, yes, well, bit of a pause as the Trangia 25-3 all HA, is out of stock on that place named after a long river in South America...
Due to gift cards for that 'river' and also at MEC, I could go either way, though Duossal weighs a little bit more...hm...!
How do people get meths soot off of HA pans without damaging the finish?
Hm, with Duossal I could put the lot into a bucket with hot water and dishwasher machine detergent!
Wiping off with some spirit on the rag/paper use to take most soot off even if it took a while on the thick several decades old layers under my 110+ years old WMF tea boiler yesterday - followed by hand washing-up liquid - there will always be a darkening in the oxide surface anyways.
The one thing every seller around here say about all anodized cookware is "never put it in the dishwasher or use alkaline cleaners on it" - vinegar in hot water seem to work fine to restore the slightly matte finish inside my military cookware.
Darkened pots conduct heat better.
I think the HA is much more durable than it seems your comments reflect. I give it no special care, unlike the non stick pans, which are easily scratched by metal.
Hi All: Still waiting for Trangia 25HA to come back in stock at that place named after a river in South America...meanwhile, I ran into a Trangia 35 on sale from Japan. I thought the '35' was a typographical error---if it is a Black Trangia, as another thread here mentions---how durable is the black paint compared to HA?
Somewhere on here was a query about whether or not one could use the Trangia padded case as a pot cosy to keep rehydrating food warm.
I can't find the thread now, but I did write Trangia in Sweden, and they kindly replied yesterday:
We have tested that and it works fine to put a pot inside the EVA case. But keep in mind that its not what its made for …but we didn’t see any miss shape or anything and we even spilt out food and liquid to see what happened.
So, it might be worth getting a Trangia case...still awaiting availability of a Trangia 25 HA online!!!
Thank you for that. Multi purpose use.
Hm, I can also get a mostly-Swedish Enmanskok, Swedish base, burner, Hungarian pot and lid, from a US source for about $80Can. including shipping. Never having seen a Trangia 25 next to an Enmanskok, I am relying on photos on the web that indicate it would cook 2 boil in the bag entrés. My instinct is to go the Trangia 25 HA or Duossal route, but the Enmanskok is a bit smaller and easier to pack than the Trangia 25, and much cheaper. Any experiences with Hungarian mess kit quality---since this is from the Bay of Evil, I suspect the 'Hungarian' mess kit is actually made in the People's Republic of China....
If you're planning any kind of cooking beyond boil in bag and heating water, I strongly suggest the Trangia.
marc, I wanted to toss you a snarky jab (Trangia snob) but it's good point and FWIW I have more than a few storm cookers. "Maybe" if one wants 1 size below the 25, another brand may be a better next a step down than the 27? I like Meta 50 & 77As but can't argue w/Trangia pluses.
re Never having seen a Trangia 25 next to an Enmanskok ….
such a pic should be on the site.
When you say Enmanskok … what I feature here, correct?
this might be
77a / Enmanskök copy center and
Trangia 25 on rt.
specs below Trangia holds considerably more volume than Enmanskök
source if this pic does not suffice there should be others
Trangia 25 ....,
pots: inner 1.5L ~ outer 1.75L (6 7/8 ~ 7 1/8)
(brnr height 25 mm below pot)
>Trangia Burner (base is 70 mm dia.)
META 50 pan/lid 1.3L (8 3/8"),
pots: inner 1.65L ~ outer 1.65L (7 7/8" ~ 8")
> Military Surplus burner (SVEA/Trangia etc)
Opti 77A pan/lid 1.20L (8"), ……………………...…… SAME size pcs as Enmanskök
pots: inner1.30L ~ outer 1.40L ( 7" ~ 7 1/2")
btw written specs" both pots are 1.33L.
(brnr height 30 mm below pot, 45 mm under pan).
> Unmarked burner w/simmer ring (Size same as Military Surplus burner SVEA/Trangia etc, base is 83 mm dia)
Converting latest info:
Ledmark Trekmate pan/lid (8"),
pots: inner .94L ~ outer 1.40L (7" ~ 7 1/2")
(brnr height 25mm below pot) …………...…..... source
Oh dear! Pardon my Swedish!
I should have said I can get parts of the orignal Swedish M40-M44 or ''the dirty pot''--can't remember the Swedish phrase for this:
NATO Trangia Stove Set Very close to the original Swedish army issued
Try the above on Bay of Evil; Hungary was not in NATO during the Cold War, neither was Sweden, but does that matter now?
Ah yes, my Swedish has caught up with me, thanks to CCS!
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