list, tentative, ver. 2.0 model 111 kero roarers in-sequence, those with embossed globe case ========= last 11 > embossed globe on top, "No.11" rounded case, rolled edges > 11 hinges & handle, more square > latch (no cut-out on front) > slotted flat filler cap 298C > 11 control knob, black > 11 Burner > the open-end spanner 366 the Hessu " Optimus 11 " and the richmay " Optimus 11 " 1st version of 111, tentative: 1952 -to- c. 1955 > embossed globe on top, "No.111" rounded case, rolled edges > *some with handle on front (in this way differs from all others) > hinges, & handle, more square (on back) > latch (no cut-out on front) > slotted filler cap 298D > 11 control knob, black. likely among the earliest (of 1st version 111s) -OR- > solid/cookie cutter control knob [ color ] > early clip to secure burner > 111 Burner, early (no hole), with hexagonal base. > Burner wind shield with side scoop opening for pouring preheating fuel. > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > the open-end spanner 366 > spirit can? [round No. 1015A, included w/111 may have begun at some point] *whitegas Early Optimus 111 with front carrying handle [11 blk ], *knight84 Early Optimus 111 [11 blk], *etherman 1st 111 [steel] on the left in pic and Motoshi Makino Early Optimus 111 [11 blk], and ... detail of images vary, seeing more handles etc., would have proved to be helpful. Lei Optimus 111 with embossed lid [grn] and Staffan 111 embossed probably 1953/54-ish [grn] pete EARLY OPTIMUS 111 [grn], Twodogs Early Optimus 111 [steel], Stoveuser Optimus 111 early model? [grn], Wim (early?) 111 [was grn?], paramethrol Early Model 111 [grn], Staffan Optimus 111 embossed, early, with blue cookie cutter [blu] onto tentative c. 1956 > embossed globe on top > hinges, & handle, more square > latch (no cut-out on front) > slotted filler cap 298D > solid/cookie cutter control knob [color] > bracket, [____] , on bottom, to secure burner > Burner, early (no hole), with hexagonal base. > Burner wind shield with side scoop opening for pouring preheating fuel. > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > the open-end spanner 366 > round No. 1015A spirit can, including this can with 111 had begun at some point (by '56 catalog) etherman just shared his seen above [grn], bernie Early (?) 111 [wht] onto c. 1957 > embossed globe on top > later hinges > handle, more square > latch (no cut-out on front) > slotted filler cap 298D > solid/cookie cutter control knob [color] > bracket, [____] , on bottom, secures burner > Burner, top has the earlier hole (a tube to the spirit cup), with hexagonal base > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > combination spanner: no 362 (of black steel) > spirit can 69 (1st version) debuts in 57/58 catalog NZ kiwi Optimus 111 awakened [wht], @burnypyromaniac optimus 111 - mid fifties [wht] [burny, does yours have hexagonal base?] onto tentative c. 1958/59 > embossed globe on top > later hinges > handle, rounded > latch is larger, there is a cut-out on front > slotted filler cap 298D > solid/cookie cutter control knob [color] > bracket, [____] , on bottom, secures burner > Burner, top has the earlier hole (a tube to the spirit cup), no hexagonal base > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > small globe logo sticker on top, began at some point. > combination spanner: no 362 (of black steel) > spirit can 69 (1st version) debuts in 57/58 catalog and > spirit can 69, oval (next version), began at some point. Staffan Optimus 111 (F) embossed, with accessories [drk red], kerophile Optimus 111 from 1950s [dark red], lighthouse Optimus 111 - roarer burner [dark red] rustbucket [dark red], twodogs Optimus 111 [dark red], onto definitely tentative c.1960 -to- c. 1966 (/TBD) > embossed globe on top > later hinges > handle, rounded > latch is larger, there is a cut-out on front > slotted filler cap 298D > solid/cookie cutter control knob > the open-end spanner 366 > bracket, [____] , on bottom, secures burner > Burner top has the _______ hole (a tube to the spirit cup). no hexagonal base > ______ | Sweden stamped flame ring (Sweden | Sweden began at some point) > small globe logo sticker on top, began at some point. > combination spanner: no 362 > spirit can 69, oval tofta Optimus No 111 (1965?), un-used [dark red] -list ends-, for now again: it's a near certainty i've missed something or made mistake(s)... " Corrections / questions (re questionable detail) are encouraged on any of it, please. Thank you. Any and all on-topic comments are welcome in stove forum discussion (today or years from now).
Thanks again etherman, An updated list 2.0 just above. Guys, I'll have to follow up but getting all the embossed examples fairly well sorted is coming together while there's still a ways to go. The open questions re c. 1966 and earlier are a reason to hit pause here. Open questions (more are welcome) and not limited to: > What hole (early or later) was present on or around 1965? (tofta is among the missing : ( ) Optimus No 111 (1965?) > hello @aktopp , i ask favor at your convenience please, can you share the last 2 #s stamped on top of your box? Thank you. Seen here: Optimus No:111 - Norwegian military . A follow up, it will help to see top of burner. > @burny pyromaniac Tonio, Does your burner have a hexagonal base? --------------------------- PS tidbits as fyi, jumping ahead bit (coming soon): examples indicate use of wide control knob began before the embossed globe ended. use of slotted filler cap 298D ended in 1968/69.
This is, so far, model 111 kero roarers in-sequence, those in embossed globe case but ...at some point most or all those details may come together anyway , for other 111s. I get a lot out of these discussions (with myself), "putting it to paper" so to speak. Other stovies were already aware and have maybe not confirmed. A quick review of list pretty much confirms the sequence of the different colors of the solid/cookie cutter control knobs. ------------------------------- Myself, i'll not include 111Bs or silents yet (the focus, for me is kero roarers in embossed case). There is an exception, an open question: Comparing details above to early 111Bs, the 1st version of 111B should be able to be identified ??? That as an aside comment should be included. Anyone? We shall see, but the details for 1st version 111B could very well align perfectly with one of the kero versions above. as FYI, i meant to tag: @Etherman @kerophile @Tony Press @Staffan Rönn @Twoberth views 3200
Mine seems to be a mix. Embossed case but no sticker. Burner says Optimus Sweden and has the priming hole. Fuel cap is a square srv hole. Black wrench. Deep red cookie cutter knob.
Hi @OMC I believe that this is an early Op.111B Early Optimus 111B. mid 1950s Best Regards Kerophile.
hello Brad, "priming hole" i like that. the lower right corner of your comment is #44, scroll back up to #34. I ask a favor, can you tell us if your priming hole is early or later? For the early one we know the slotted 298D filler cap aligns with that. It's sounding like, either way yours is mixed but 1960 and later is where i left off and it's not complete. thx
hello kerophile, that is early. i was checking the 111Bs in gallery. I didn't know ('til now) if they also had early and later priming hole.. they do. Here are a couple with what I would think is slightly earlier burner BUT not sure these are the earliest version of 111B either (i've been week on 111B details). Finncooker Optimus 111 B and parramethtrol 111B white control spindle The details, from what we can see, so align with a kero version above except white knob, even that could possibly fit the bill. ...but again, not sure they represent the earliest 111B. ---------------------- It's not cold at all here yet but did suddenly get a lot colder than it has been. Work kicked my ass, i'm fading fast here, will catch up next chance i get. my thanks to all
@OMC , after looking closely, mine is identical to the 58/59 model shown by Stafan and Kerophile, with the exception of the fuel cap lid with square srv hole and no sticker on the case.
Of note (it's a CCS kinda thing) this, key, detail comes to us from aktopp's NOS 111 he posted 14 years ago. How cool is that. @aktopp , Thank you so much, that's awesome. Yours being an early priming hole in 1963. That and the Optimus | Sweden flame ring. This shows us the details from previous 111 version carried over at least into '63, and possibly later. ----------------------- [as compared to JussiK's with later priming hole we now also know that change occurred, after '63, at some point ] ----------------------- This is a key detail you have confirmed , thanks again. We may yet hear from tofta, re his 1965. For now re tentative timeline above and your detail being key, two of the 111 versions above NEED to be reconsidered /updated, one "might" be >> tentative: 1958/59 -to- 1963 (possibly beyond) -------------------------------------------------------- Also, in this brief meanwhile Etherman found us a 111B on *ebay that, from what we've seen, is the earliest version of 111B. The details are an exact match to the, tentative c. 1956, version in list above. *congrats to the winner. views 3575
BUMP Discussing 111s including in this thread, I've paused or struggled when it came to naming types of control knobs. from left to right > # No. 11 control knob is not shown, it was a carry over from the No.11 stove used on the earliest 111s (very rare on 111). black, thin solid and looks similar to next type. > thin solid control knob, on the left, per the list above a "solid/cookie cutter control knob [color]", not black. > thick (hollow in back) control knob in the middle > 111 multikey on the right these ^^^ are names I'll use for now anyway and pic above identifies what ea. name is. Again, I paused or struggled arriving at the name "solid/cookie cutter control knob [color]" and I'm 100% certain better suggestions are out there and welcome. FWIW years ago I thought cookie cutter referred to the middle one in pic above. Minus the spindle, the middle one with it's hollow interior, for me, resembles a cookie cutter AND could actually be used as a cookie cutter (vs knob on left aka cookie cutter, and why was that?).
bump, with a few details that have emerged in this meanwhile (let us not forget early 111B revelations) updates to the kero roarer timeline continues, that being the focus here/now. New details include this just in... NOS Optimus 111 NOS dated (1966) sealed box, thank you Peregrinans, for now the change to the list (vs prev. list 2.0 above) is the ONE last subtopic: "onto definitely tentative c.1960 -to- c. 1966 (/TBD)" will now split into TWO last subtopics (that is where the only "timeline" updates/changes are, for now) this list, tentative, ver. 2.2 model 111 kero roarers in-sequence, those with embossed globe case ========= last 11 > embossed globe on top, "No.11" rounded case, rolled edges > 11 hinges & handle, more square > latch (no cut-out on front) > slotted flat filler cap 298C > "No.11" thin solid control knob, black > 11 Burner > the open-end spanner 366 the Hessu " Optimus 11 " and the richmay " Optimus 11 " 1st version of 111, tentative: 1952 -to- c. 1955 > embossed globe on top, "No.111" rounded case, rolled edges > *some with handle on front (in this way differs from all others) > hinges, & handle, more square (on back) > latch (no cut-out on front) > slotted filler cap 298D > "No 11" thin solid control knob, black. likely among the earliest (of 1st version 111s) -OR- > (111) thin solid control knob [ color ] > early clip to secure burner > 111 Burner, early (no hole), with hexagonal base. > Burner wind shield with side scoop opening for pouring preheating fuel. > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > the open-end spanner 366 > spirit can? [round No. 1015A, included w/111 may have begun at some point] *whitegas Early Optimus 111 with front carrying handle [11 blk ], *knight84 Early Optimus 111 [11 blk], *etherman 1st 111 [steel] on the left in pic and Motoshi Makino Early Optimus 111 [11 blk], and ... detail of images vary, seeing more handles etc., would have proved to be helpful. Lei Optimus 111 with embossed lid [grn] and Staffan 111 embossed probably 1953/54-ish [grn] pete EARLY OPTIMUS 111 [grn], Twodogs Early Optimus 111 [steel], Stoveuser Optimus 111 early model? [grn], Wim (early?) 111 [was grn?], paramethrol Early Model 111 [grn], Staffan Optimus 111 embossed, early, with blue cookie cutter [blu] onto tentative c. 1956 > embossed globe on top > hinges, & handle, more square > latch (no cut-out on front) > slotted filler cap 298D > thin solid control knob [ color ] > bracket, [____] , on bottom, to secure burner > Burner, early (no hole), with hexagonal base. > Burner wind shield with side scoop opening for pouring preheating fuel. > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > the open-end spanner 366 > round No. 1015A spirit can, including this can with 111 had begun at some point (by '56 catalog) etherman just shared his seen above [grn], bernie Early (?) 111 [wht] onto c. 1957 > embossed globe on top > later hinges > handle, more square > latch (no cut-out on front) > slotted filler cap 298D > thin solid control knob > bracket, [____] , on bottom, secures burner > Burner, top has the earlier hole (a tube to the spirit cup), with hexagonal base > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > combination spanner: no 362 (of black steel) > spirit can 69 (1st version) debuts in 57/58 catalog NZ kiwi Optimus 111 awakened [wht], @burnypyromaniac optimus 111 - mid fifties [wht] [burny, does yours have hexagonal base?] onto tentative c. 1958/59 > embossed globe on top > later hinges > handle, rounded > latch is larger, there is a cut-out on front > slotted filler cap 298D > thin solid control knob, dark red > bracket, [____] , on bottom, secures burner > Burner, top has the earlier hole (a tube to the spirit cup), no hexagonal base > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > small globe logo sticker on top, began at some point. > combination spanner: no 362 (of black steel) > spirit can 69 (1st version) debuts in 57/58 catalog and > spirit can 69, oval (next version), began at some point. Staffan Optimus 111 (F) embossed, with accessories [drk red], kerophile Optimus 111 from 1950s [dark red], lighthouse Optimus 111 - roarer burner [dark red] rustbucket [dark red], twodogs Optimus 111 [dark red], onto tentative c.1960 -to- 1963 (or later, TBD) > embossed globe on top > later hinges > handle, rounded > latch is larger, there is a cut-out on front > slotted filler cap 298D > thin solid control knob, dark red > bracket, [____] , on bottom, secures burner > Burner top has the earlier hole (a tube to the spirit cup). no hexagonal base > Optimus Sweden atop of burner > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > small globe logo sticker on top. > combination spanner: no 362 (of black steel ) > spirit can 69, oval aktopp's dated 1963 Optimus No:111 - Norwegian military onto definitely tentative c.1964 (or later) -to- c. 1968 (/TBD) > embossed globe on top > later hinges > handle, rounded > latch is larger, there is a cut-out on front > slotted filler cap 298D (btw use of 298D ends c'68) > thin solid control knob, dark red > bracket, [____] , on bottom, secures burner > Burner top has the later "D" shape hole (a tube to the spirit cup). no hexagonal base > Optimus Sweden atop of burner > Sweden | Sweden stamped flame ring > small globe logo sticker on top. > combination spanner: no 362 (of black steel?) > spirit can 69, oval Perigrinans dated 1966 NOS Optimus 111 tofta Optimus No 111 (1965?), un-used [dark red] -list ends-, for now again: it's a near certainty i've missed something or made mistake(s)... " Corrections / questions (re questionable detail) are encouraged on any of it, please. Thank you. Any and all on-topic comments are welcome in stove forum discussion (today or years from now). 4800 views
bump, several more details coming together (let us not forget early 111B revelations above) updates to the kero roarer timeline continues, that being the focus here/now. 7 versions below, i might call this done, or close to it. List Rel. 3.0 model 111 kero roarers in-sequence, those with embossed globe case only ========= the last No.11 > "No.11" and globe embossed on top, rounded case, rolled edges > 11 hinges & handle, more square > latch (no cut-out on front) > slotted flat filler cap 298C > "No.11" thin solid control knob, black > 11 Burner > the open-end spanner 366 the Hessu " Optimus 11 " and the richmay " Optimus 11 " 1st version of 111, tentative: 1952 -to- c. 1955 > "No.111" and globe embossed on top, rounded case, rolled edges > *some with handle on front (in this way differs from all others) > hinges, & handle, more square (on back) > latch (no cut-out on front) > slotted filler cap 298D > "No 11" thin solid control knob, black. likely among the earliest (of 1st version 111s) -OR- > (111) thin solid control knob [ color ] > early clip to secure burner > 111 Burner, early (no hole), with hexagonal base. > Burner wind shield with side scoop opening for pouring preheating fuel. > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > the open-end spanner 366 > spirit can? [round No. 1015A, included w/111 may have begun at some point] *whitegas Early Optimus 111 with front carrying handle [11 blk ], *knight84 Early Optimus 111 [11 blk], *etherman 1st 111 [steel] on the left in pic and Motoshi Makino Early Optimus 111 [11 blk], and ... detail of images vary, seeing more handles etc., would have proved to be helpful. Lei Optimus 111 with embossed lid [grn] and Staffan 111 embossed probably 1953/54-ish [grn] pete EARLY OPTIMUS 111 [grn], Twodogs Early Optimus 111 [steel], Stoveuser Optimus 111 early model? [grn], Wim (early?) 111 [was grn?], paramethrol Early Model 111 [grn], Staffan Optimus 111 embossed, early, with blue cookie cutter [blu] onto tentative c. 1956 > "No.111" and globe embossed on top > hinges, & handle, more square > latch (no cut-out on front) > slotted filler cap 298D > thin solid control knob [ color ] > bracket, [____] , on bottom, to secure burner > Burner, early (no hole), with hexagonal base. > Burner wind shield with side scoop opening for pouring preheating fuel. > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > the open-end spanner 366 > round No. 1015A spirit can, including this can with 111 had begun at some point (by '56 catalog) etherman just shared his seen above [grn], bernie Early (?) 111 [wht] note: production "changes" i indicate here relate to 111 etc c 1956 and inline with, it has been said "22 was introduced around 1955" onto c. 1957 > "No.111" and globe embossed on top > later hinges > handle, more square > latch (no cut-out on front) > slotted filler cap 298D > thin solid control knob > bracket, [____] , on bottom, secures burner > Burner, top has the earlier round hole (a tube to the spirit cup), with hexagonal base. c 57 early has hex base, c 57 later no longer has hex base > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > combination spanner: no 362 (of black steel) > spirit can 69 (1st version) debuts in 57/58 catalog NZ kiwi Optimus 111 awakened [wht], @burnypyromaniac optimus 111 - mid fifties [wht] [hex base ??? ], [[ side note re 111 silents: in 1959/60 Optimus Brochure that probably dates from a little earlier. gets me 57/58, here, for when 111/7 silent kero is 1st offered. Also consider this rare 111A alcohol silent (the last image) for 57/58, as an initial guesstimate ]] onto c. 1958/59 > "No.111" and globe embossed on top > later hinges > handle, rounded > latch is larger, there is a cut-out on front > slotted filler cap 298D > thin solid control knob, dark red > bracket, [____] , on bottom, secures burner > Burner, top has the earlier round hole (a tube to the spirit cup), no hexagonal base > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > small globe logo sticker on top, began at some point. > combination spanner: no 362 (of black steel) > spirit can 69 (1st version) debuts in 57/58 catalog and > spirit can 69, oval (next version), began at some point. Staffan Optimus 111 (F) embossed, with accessories [drk red], kerophile Optimus 111 from 1950s [dark red], lighthouse Optimus 111 - roarer burner [dark red] rustbucket [dark red], twodogs Optimus 111 [dark red], onto c.1960 -to- 1963 (or later, TBD) > "No.111" and globe embossed on top > later hinges > handle, rounded > latch is larger, there is a cut-out on front > slotted filler cap 298D > thin solid control knob, dark red > bracket, [____] , on bottom, secures burner > Burner top has the earlier hole (a tube to the spirit cup). no hexagonal base > Optimus Sweden atop of burner > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > small globe logo sticker on top. > combination spanner: no 362 (of black steel ) > spirit can 69, oval aktopp's dated 1963 Optimus No:111 - Norwegian military onto tentative c.1964 -to- c. 1967 > "No.111" and globe embossed on top > later hinges > handle, rounded > latch is larger, there is a cut-out on front > slotted filler cap 298D (btw use of 298D ends c'68) > thin solid control knob, dark red [> thick control knob "Optimus"? , text varies, thick knob begins at some point ] > bracket, [____] , on bottom, secures burner > Burner top has the later "D" shape hole (a tube to the spirit cup). no hexagonal base > Optimus Sweden atop of burner > Sweden | Sweden stamped flame ring > small globe logo sticker on top. > combination spanner: no 362 (of black steel?) > spirit can 69, oval Perigrinans dated 1966 NOS Optimus 111 tofta Optimus No 111 (1965?), un-used [dark red] note: i see embossed globe top 111s w/thick control knobs. 1st year thick control knob??? TBD =========== after c 1967 note: embossed globe lid ends by 68/69 (due to 298D cap on 1st Primus 111), DONE. and > precedent is 1st Primus 111 would come off SAME production line as Optimus 111 the ONLY difference on the stove being the labels/packaging. [[ side note re 111 silents: 111/7 kero silent is a curious one, although offered in c 1958 it gets no mention in subsequent catalogs through the 70s. ||| Initial comments, silents: re 111 Hiker (dual/triple fuel) no mention through 70s and any embossed globe case 111 silent (original) 1958-on , -to-67?, it seems, those examples would all be 111/7... or am i missing something? ]] -list ends-, this ends the scope of work(list). Content will not expand, corrections/*updates might follow. *could align ver. of instr. w/111 vert. (that would be helpful for 111 owners). DONE for now. again: it's a near certainty i've missed something or made mistake(s)... " Corrections / questions (re questionable detail) are encouraged on any of it, please. Thank you. Any and all on-topic comments are welcome in stove forum discussion (today or years from now). 5000 views
@Twoberth thank you for reply DEFINETLY an interesting example. I may not have missed it? Yours is a very rare, very early 111 case but from all that i have seen i think the innards or at least the burner is not a match to the early case (if i got that right and may be why i didn't include it as an example? OR i missed it.) don't get me wrong anyone would be stoked to have it, me included. just a handful out there w/that handle as i recall. i will also add with all that content for SURE there are mistakes, nonetheless i'm happy with it, have referred to it often
Too much to digest. I have a earlier case I guess with the early clip you call it, but not the front handle, received this summer with the military silent burner with tiny screws holding the outer cap down. I repainted it, runs great. Duane
all, @Staffan Rönn, List does not include 111B nor 22 but they are certainly 111-related and below I do have a "suggestion:" (i will get there). 1952 & 53 Optimus offered only the kero-roarer 111. On current list above, Rel. 3.0, I gave 111 1st year range "tentative: ... 1952 -to- c. 1955 " in list of details it says "hinges,..." they are early hinges. (vs "later hinges") my next year range is tentative c. 1956 , last year for "hinges,..." they are early hinges. (vs "later hinges") [*], now with:> bracket, [____] , on bottom, to secure burner [*2 key details, combined] "c. 1956" allows for 1955 examples as noted: "note: production "changes" i indicate here relate to 111 etc c 1956 and inline with, it has been said [Staffan said] "22 was introduced around 1955"" production changes, Staffan's "around 1955" and my "c. 1956" are close and "could be" the same depending on one's view but they are not the same. I wonder, should they be the same, i suggest the 2 join together. [caveat: if/when 1940s -to- early 50s "...Optimus catalogs etc emerge, we'll have chance to learn more."] That said, unless/until proven otherwise, based on examples seen to-date, my... >>>suggestion: 1952-c 54 Optimus offered 111 kero-roarer only, 1st version. "New" offerings some time around... 1955/56 Optimus offers 111 kero-roarer and "new" 111B white gas roarer, and "new" 22 kero-roarer. Those 3 early versions ^^^ (came after 1st version 111) are confirmed. For Optimus to also offer the 22B "new" 1955/56 could be logical conclusion? (logic: method to determine a wrong answer with confidence). Myself, i dunno and not taking it beyond the suggestion. Thanks cc @Etherman
Rel 3.1 111s in-sequence 1952-97 the last No.11 > "No.11" and globe embossed on top, rounded case, rolled edges > handle, more square > "11" hinges > latch, has no cut-out on front > slotted flat filler cap 298C > "No.11" thin solid control knob, black > 11 Burner > burner clip at back of case > the open-end spanner 366 the Hessu " Optimus 11 " and the richmay " Optimus 11 " 1st version of 111, tentative: 1952 -to- c. 1954 > "No.111" and globe embossed on top, rounded case, rolled edges > *some with handle on front (in this way differs from all others) > handle, more square (on back) > early hinges > latch, has no cut-out on front > slotted filler cap 298D > "No 11" thin solid control knob, black. likely among the earliest (of 1st version 111s) -OR- > (111) thin solid control knob, _______ ( color ) > burner, early (no hole), hexagonal base, Optimus Sweden & Arabic script crisscrossed > burner clip at back of case > burner wind shield with side scoop opening. > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > the open-end spanner 366 > spirit can? [round No. 1015A, included w/111 may have begun at some point] Examples: *whitegas Early Optimus 111 with front carrying handle [11 blk ],*knight84 Early Optimus 111 [11 blk], *etherman 1st 111 [steel] on the left in pic and Motoshi Makino Early Optimus 111 [11 blk], Lei Optimus 111 with embossed lid [grn] and Staffan 111 embossed probably 1953/54-ish [grn] pete EARLY OPTIMUS 111 [grn], Twodogs Early Optimus 111 [steel], Stoveuser Optimus 111 early model? [grn], Wim (early?) 111 [was grn?], paramethrol Early Model 111 [grn], Staffan Optimus 111 embossed, early, with blue cookie cutter [blu] [[ btw c1954 111B (earliest) w/early hinges and it's details fits c 1954 (could include early 55?) ]]
Anomalous tweeners? (between prev group and next group): etherman's seen above [grn knob], early everything... ... except, later brkt [____] on bottom. bernie Early (?) 111 [wht knob]: early burner, latch & handle later hinges, later brkt [___] on bottom. at some point c.1955-57 is: > "No.111" and globe embossed on top > handle, more square > later hinges > latch, has no cut-out on front > slotted filler cap 298D > thin solid control knob, _______ . > burner w/earlier round hole (a tube to the spirit cup), initially w/with hexagonal base (hex base ends late 57?), top: Optimus Sweden > burner bracket, [____] , on bottom > Optimus | Sweden stamped flame ring > the open-end spanner 366 -or- 362 combination spanner began in 57 > spirit can incl.: round No.1015A -or- No.69 1st version began in 57 Examples: NZ kiwi Optimus 111 awakened [wht], @burnypyromaniac optimus 111 - mid fifties [wht] [hex base ??? ]
